When will the Yankees come calling?

[beautox]

I'd rather trade a Heilman to get a Crisp, then to trade B-Mac plus a spect for Crawford but that's just me.

I'm with you, but if Garcia is going to Yankees; I'd hope Clippard and Cabrera + _____ are coming back.

 

And from the mets side of things for Vazquez i'd like to see a return of Pelfry + Niese + Humber/Heilman.

 

Heres hoping the Padres land Zito and the Cubs take Schmidt of the market.

[Dick Allen]

It looks like salaries are going through the roof again. At espn.com Jerry Crasnick says a guy like Adam Eaton is going to get a 3 or 4 year deal worth at least $8 million a year, and Juan Pierre is going to get at least $30 million for 3 years. Those would be crazy contracts. When people on here said Pierre would get $8 million a year, I thought they were crazy. Turns out they were just lowballing.

[cwsfan13]

It looks like salaries are going through the roof again. At espn.com Jerry Crasnick says a guy like Adam Eaton is going to get a 3 or 4 year deal worth at least $8 million a year, and Juan Pierre is going to get at least $30 million for 3 years. Those would be crazy contracts. When people on here said Pierre would get $8 million a year, I thought they were crazy. Turns out they were just lowballing.

 

With the price lack of pitching this year Im not so surprised but Pierre getting 10m per year is insane .Hes a good lead off hitter but not worth 10m .

 

The sad thing in all this is the fans are the ones who get f***ED !

[beautox]

It looks like salaries are going through the roof again. At espn.com Jerry Crasnick says a guy like Adam Eaton is going to get a 3 or 4 year deal worth at least $8 million a year, and Juan Pierre is going to get at least $30 million for 3 years. Those would be crazy contracts. When people on here said Pierre would get $8 million a year, I thought they were crazy. Turns out they were just lowballing.

Good, im glad Pierre is going to get 3/30 (i just hope its not with the sox) that makes Podsednik look even more attractive.

[cwsfan13]

Good, im glad Pierre is going to get 3/30 (i just hope its not with the sox) that makes Podsednik look even more attractive.

Hell yes .I think Pods stock just went up .All the sudden 3m doesnt look so bad to other teams .

[Dick Allen]

Good, im glad Pierre is going to get 3/30 (i just hope its not with the sox) that makes Podsednik look even more attractive.

It makes his arbitration number go up significantly. If anything, it will make teams wait for the Sox to non-tender him. If Juan Pierre gets $10 million a year, Pods is hoping he goes to arbitration.

[Gene Honda Civic]

It makes his arbitration number go up significantly. If anything, it will make teams wait for the Sox to non-tender him. If Juan Pierre gets $10 million a year, Pods is hoping he goes to arbitration.

 

Actually, it shouldn't. As I understand it, at arbitration, your numbers are compared to those with similar status, or within 1-year of similar status, to help determine your award -- though, the actual award is esentially determined by the two figures the two sides submit, since the only thing the arbiter does is pick one or the other. Since Scott would only be in his second year of arbitration, he wouldn't be compared to any free agents, just other 4th-6th year players, the Eric Byrnes' of the world.

 

In the current marketplace Arbitration most definitely surpresses contract values of arbitration eligible players as compared to their free-agent eligible counterparts....

 

Think of it this way. Joe Crede will get around $7M at arbitration this year. Meanwhile Aramis Ramirez just got 5/$73M. Factoring in defense, Crede had a better '06, but he'll make about half as much.

Edited November 15, 2006 by Gene Honda Civic

[Kalapse]

It looks like salaries are going through the roof again. At espn.com Jerry Crasnick says a guy like Adam Eaton is going to get a 3 or 4 year deal worth at least $8 million a year, and Juan Pierre is going to get at least $30 million for 3 years. Those would be crazy contracts. When people on here said Pierre would get $8 million a year, I thought they were crazy. Turns out they were just lowballing.

I so called Juan Pierre getting $9M+ a year about 2 months ago.

[Chisoxfn]

These prices change my off-season philosphy and it means we move both Buehrle and Garcia (since both there contracts are up) and try to get pitchers whom we could control a bit longer. I'd deal one of them for top notch pitching prospects (cause those will be very valuable in a time of rising salaries) and than swing the other one for basically another good pitcher whose signed a bit longer (maybe in a situation where we are taking a chance...but are getting a guy thats just coming off a down year thats signed for a couple more years).

[Jimbo's Drinker]

Call me crazy but I really dont want prospects for our starting pitchers...I want proven talent.

[southsideirish71]

Call me crazy but I really dont want prospects for our starting pitchers...I want proven talent.

 

We need pitching to replace pitching, and proven talent is going to cost you a s***load.

 

If we can extract a teams version of Bmac, like someone like a Pelfrey for 86mph Freddy Garcia, call it a day and run to your hideout and take off your mask.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(Jimbo @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Call me crazy but I really dont want prospects for our starting pitchers...I want proven talent.

You're not alone.

 

3 years ago people were putting together packages consisting of Magglio and/or Konerko for Edwin Jackson and Greg Miller.

 

The Mets' prospects seem to be this year's flavor.

[Jimbo's Drinker]

We need pitching to replace pitching, and proven talent is going to cost you a s***load.

 

If we can extract a teams version of Bmac, like someone like a Pelfrey for 86mph Freddy Garcia, call it a day and run to your hideout and take off your mask.

????

[Jordan4life_2007]

Call me crazy but I really dont want prospects for our starting pitchers...I want proven talent.

 

This is one of the reasons I WOULD NOT want to be in Kenny Williams' shoes right now. He's got to give us the best chance at winning it all in '07, while attempting to restock the farm system and keeping us competitive in 2008 and beyond. It's not gonna be easy. It seems to me some people want to have their cake and eat it too. That's why I would have no problem trading B-Mac in a package to get CC (Crawford) if we were able to land Pelfrey.

Edited November 15, 2006 by Jordan4life_2006

[beautox]

Crawford is a wonderful talent, but pitching is key for us to sustain sucess in this divsion. I'd prefer to keep a Pelfry, McCarthy and a Clippard. Pelfry has #1 stuff, and both Clippard and McCarthy could be #2s at the very least #3s, add in Broadway, and Locking up MB and maybe even JG longterm and we stay competitive.

 

Even with the strugles of pods, ba and uribe we still won 90 wins, if we can get a little more consistantcy out of SS(Omar) and brian, and so long as we have a body with a pluse out in LF that can catch the ball we schould be fine. Its our pitching that needs help.

 

Early in the year we didn't know if thornton was going to be a bust or not, and hermanson didn't come back, add in Cliff getting hurt and neal forgetting how to pitch, along with the sick joke that was nelson and montero and are BP was horrible. Thats not going to be the case next year, the BP schould be very solid, and i expect us to be in the thick of it till late sept provided we get league avg starting pitching.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Crawford is a wonderful talent, but pitching is key for us to sustain sucess in this divsion. I'd prefer to keep a Pelfry, McCarthy and a Clippard. Pelfry has #1 stuff, and both Clippard and McCarthy could be #2s at the very least #3s, add in Broadway, and Locking up MB and maybe even JG longterm and we stay competitive.

 

Even with the strugles of pods, ba and uribe we still won 90 wins, if we can get a little more consistantcy out of SS(Omar) and brian, and so long as we have a body with a pluse out in LF that can catch the ball we schould be fine. Its our pitching that needs help.

 

Early in the year we didn't know if thornton was going to be a bust or not, and hermanson didn't come back, add in Cliff getting hurt and neal forgetting how to pitch, along with the sick joke that was nelson and montero and are BP was horrible. Thats not going to be the case next year, the BP schould be very solid, and i expect us to be in the thick of it till late sept provided we get league avg starting pitching.

 

I get what you're saying. I just don't think we can get to the playoffs next year with multiple young/unproven arms in the rotation (I'm assuming you have Pelfrey in the rotation).

[DBAHO]

I get what you're saying. I just don't think we can get to the playoffs next year with multiple young/unproven arms in the rotation (I'm assuming you have Pelfrey in the rotation).

You can always try to sign a starter like Miguel Batista on a short - term deal for a season or 2, if you wanted to trade 2 starters.

 

Imagine getting Danks and Arias for Garcia, and a package reloving around Mike Pelfrey for Vazquez. You can plug both in AAA for the season, and along with Lance Broadway, you've got 3 guys who can contribute in 2008, which will be very important if Mark Buehrle bolts in FA.

[beautox]

I get what you're saying. I just don't think we can get to the playoffs next year with multiple young/unproven arms in the rotation (I'm assuming you have Pelfrey in the rotation).

 

I don't really look at McCarthy as that big of a ? when it comes to starting, he has a proven track record. the only real question mark would be Pelfry, and it is what it is, you'd have to accept that risk, and if he falters you've got Phillips and Broadway at AAA and Haeger at the back end of the BP, not to mention what could be brought in from Garcia being delt Volquez/Clippard. The sox have to move 1 if not 2 of our pitchers, the market for above avg pitching is going to be crazy all off season and we can't let them walk and get nothing in return for them.

[RockRaines]

Or we could just deal the guys we get from the Mets/Yankees.

exactly, which would translate to Garcia or Vaz for Crawford, which is a steal. I think we can move enough pieces to make a splash.

[beck72]

With the Yankees adding the pitchers from their recent trades, I could see a Freddy Garcia deal. In return, something along the lines of Humberto Sanchez [Clippard is too much of flyball pitcher], Chris Britton, and a bullpen prospect [either JB Cox--AA or Kevin Whelan-high A [supposedly has wicked stuff].

[DBAHO]

From today's Newsday;

 

Yankees and White Sox officials ate dinner together last night at the general managers' meetings, and the White Sox are shopping all of their starting pitchers. The Yankees know two of those pitchers, Jose Contreras and Javier Vazquez, too well, however, and probably wouldn't want to bring them back. Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia and Jon Garland can also be had.

 

And Beck I would be very happy if we could get that type of package for Freddy Garcia, very happy indeed.

[beck72]

From today's Newsday;

And Beck I would be very happy if we could get that type of package for Freddy Garcia, very happy indeed.

 

The Yankees certainly are one of the few teams that do not value pitching prospects. Hughes yes. But I don't think the Yanks have been drooling over the Tigers and Orioles minor leaguers. A three for one deal for Freddy would be very plausible, esp with Hughes not included.