LosMediasBlancas Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 More 'stealth mode' talk from KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 02:33 PM) It took Freddy 5 months to make adjustments and I still don't trust him at all. He had like 3 or 4 starts in September that saved his season from looking like a total disaster. Mark absolutely stunk the 2nd half of last season but I see no reason why he wont bounce back. He's easily the better long term commitment imo. I think Freddy made ajustments all year, thats why he hung around games and got some wins. MB didnt do anything and got rocked a lot of the time. As for Freddy Sept, they will still in it and that proved even more to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox9 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Rotoworld: Phillies GM Pat Gillick is reportedly willing to send Aaron Rowand and either Ryan Madson or Gavin Floyd to the White Sox for Freddy Garcia. It'd be a fair trade for both teams. We prefer the White Sox's side -- both Mark Buehrle and Javier Vazquez are more valuable properties than Garcia in our eyes -- but the Phillies probably wouldn't lose all that much going from Rowand to Shane Victorino. Source: Arlington Heights Daily Herald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoota Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 02:22 PM) How is Mark streaky? He's had one bad season and that was last year. Mark is younger and has better career numbers, how is Freddy better? Buehrle didn't have one bad season, he had an All-Star half followed by a very poor half. IMO, much of Buehrle's second-half struggle was caused by fatigue from the IP thrown in 2005's Championship season. QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 03:33 PM) Rotoworld: Phillies GM Pat Gillick is reportedly willing to send Aaron Rowand and either Ryan Madson or Gavin Floyd to the White Sox for Freddy Garcia. It'd be a fair trade for both teams. We prefer the White Sox's side -- both Mark Buehrle and Javier Vazquez are more valuable properties than Garcia in our eyes -- but the Phillies probably wouldn't lose all that much going from Rowand to Shane Victorino. Source: Arlington Heights Daily Herald I'm a fan of Aaron Rowand, but I don't want him back. Anderson is cheap and good, so we don't need a center fielder. I'd prefer KW turn our extra starter into a LF or SS, the team's two positions most in need of upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I actually trust that Garcia will magically find his 92 mph fastball again during his FA year. On the other hand, unless the Phillies are offering Rollins, Howard or Hamels, I really hope KW puts down the phone. We can do much better than some crappy 4th outfielder and a medicore pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 What's the deal with the two guys mentioned other than A-Row? I've heard the names as spects, but don't know much about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox9 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Though I am a huge fan of A-Row i would say that this is by far the worse idea for the team. There is so much more that KW could get for 1 of our starters that this would be pointless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 If this was to happen, it would equate to: Garcia, Gio, Haigwood for Thome, Madson/Floyd I would think KW could get more for Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Madson reminds me of McCarthy in some ways, and that's not necessarily a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 04:52 PM) If this was to happen, it would equate to: Garcia, Gio, Haigwood for Thome, Madson/Floyd I would think KW could get more for Garcia. When put in this context it nearly makes me vomit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 03:52 PM) If this was to happen, it would equate to: Garcia, Gio, Haigwood for Thome, Madson/Floyd I would think KW could get more for Garcia. You're missing the $7M cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 04:42 PM) I actually trust that Garcia will magically find his 92 mph fastball again during his FA year. On the other hand, unless the Phillies are offering Rollins, Howard or Hamels, I really hope KW puts down the phone. We can do much better than some crappy 4th outfielder and a medicore pitcher. I've been saying this for a while. I'm am, by no means, a Garcia fan. But, it looks to me like he's the guy most likely to put up a stellar year. If the team is confident that he has regained his fastball, I would keep his around. He has improved his control and added a splitter. Also, he might hit free agency at the end of the year, so he'll be pitching for a contract. All of that adds up, in my mind, to a big f***ing season from Freddy Garcia. And I'd like to ride out that hot hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 02:21 PM) You're missing the $7M cash. Per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox9 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 10:31 PM) Per year. The Sox only pay Approx $7.2 M for Thome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Sox only pay Approx $7.2 M for Thome? Yeah. The Phills got jobbed in that trade. Yes they needed to get Howard in there, but Thome was worth more. Especially if you're going to pay for half of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 04:42 PM) The Sox only pay Approx $7.2 M for Thome? Close. The deal is they pay him only $8M per year, with the Phils kicking in the rest. There is an option on his contract in a couple of years and reportedly there is also an gentleman's agreement in place for the Phils to kick in money on the option year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox9 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 10:51 PM) Yeah. The Phills got jobbed in that trade. Yes they needed to get Howard in there, but Thome was worth more. Especially if you're going to pay for half of his contract. How much do we get from the D-Backs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 10:52 PM) How much do we get from the D-Backs? I thought I heard 3 mil on the radio today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 04:59 PM) I thought I heard 3 mil on the radio today. $1M last year and $2M this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 5/65 mil sounds great but correct me if i am wrong but doesn't jr and the whole sox organization shy away from giving pitchers no more then 3 year deals? if that is the case a 3/39-40 mil a year with a couple of team options sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 QUOTE(spataro51 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 05:12 PM) 5/65 mil sounds great but correct me if i am wrong but doesn't jr and the whole sox organization shy away from giving pitchers no more then 3 year deals? if that is the case a 3/39-40 mil a year with a couple of team options sounds good to me. Yes, the organization does tend to try to go for a 3 year deal. But Mark Buehrle has absolutely zero reason to accept a 3 year deal when all he has to do is stay healthy and have an average Mark Buehrle season next year to be looking at scoring 5-6 years at $15 mil or more per year (depending on what Zito gets) if he hits the FA market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 It makes me wonder if KW is going to extend their contracts and trade one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 QUOTE(whitesox1976 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 09:38 PM) It makes me wonder if KW is going to extend their contracts and trade one of them. Baseball doesn't really work that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 We should get more than this in return...Rowand was my hero with his defense and attitude, but I cringed every time he whiffed horribly (116 times) during that season and saw his offensive production take a huge dip, and what we need is bullpen depth, a upgrade at leadoff or shortstop, and some more talent in the farm system, this trade seems like a waste of an oppurtunity to address our bigger needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 QUOTE(bigruss22 @ Dec 5, 2006 -> 10:04 PM) We should get more than this in return...Rowand was my hero with his defense and attitude, but I cringed every time he whiffed horribly (116 times) during that season and saw his offensive production take a huge dip, and what we need is bullpen depth, a upgrade at leadoff or shortstop, and some more talent in the farm system, this trade seems like a waste of an oppurtunity to address our bigger needs SS likely will be upgraded with progression to the means. Otherwise, I completely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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