NorthSideSox72 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:47 PM) IMO yes. He usually has an incredibly high OBP (.400+) so yeah he'd be a great fit at the top of a lineup that features quite a bit of power in the middle. Then I'd bet KW is working on him and/or similar CF's with high OBP and maybe some speed. I think Owens is his backup-backup plan for CF at this point, and is more likely to be that 4th OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 A move for crisp could still happen too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:47 PM) IMO yes. He usually has an incredibly high OBP (.400+) so yeah he'd be a great fit at the top of a lineup that features quite a bit of power in the middle. I would really like Fuku, but Im not sure he is a CF. Ive heard his arm was stronger than Ichiros before his wrist surgery, but havent heard an update on that. Im guessing he is a much better corner guy, but with his offensive production I think it would be fine. He cant be worse than Mack out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:47 AM) IMO yes. He usually has an incredibly high OBP (.400+) so yeah he'd be a great fit at the top of a lineup that features quite a bit of power in the middle. It's worth noting that yes, he did get those OBP's up over .400, but he did so while being a .300+ hitter. He hit .277 in 2004 pre-injury, and put up a .370 OBP, so if his batting average does not carry over well, and sometimes they don't (exception being Ichiro) then you might not expect .400+ OBP's from him over here at least to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:46 PM) Jerry Owens, who if this goes down we pencil in to CF. If they make another move for a CF, then I'd say it's possible that we'll see a 1-2 of Cabrera, Quentin. If this trade does mean that we'll be seeing either of Owens or Cabrera leading off for this team in 2008 then I f***ing hate it. Cabrera is an ideal #2 hitter, his talents would be wasted in the leadoff spot and I just hate the idea of some little .320-.330 OBP, .330 SLG%, speed guy taking the leadoff spot, it's just so silly IMO. It really sucks that baseball people have taken to the idea that low OBP + lots of SB = ideal leadoff man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(max power @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:50 AM) A move for crisp could still happen too. That is true...this does set up this team exactly for a Left handed, good defense, speedy CF leading off, and Crisp does fit that profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:52 PM) That is true...this does set up this team exactly for a Left handed, good defense, speedy CF leading off, and Crisp does fit that profile. I think that's exactly what our next move will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 prender1482 posted this in the Trade Winds forum by digging up a thread from discussion back in August about Quentin (copying it in here)... From Rotoworld: MLB radio is reporting that the White Sox will acquire Carlos Quentin from the Diamondbacks for Chris Carter. We hope the Diamondbacks are getting a quality pitching prospect in return as well. Quentin's stock is down, especially following shoulder surgery, but he's still a fine bet to have a long career as a regular corner outfielder. Carter, who shares the same name as the first baseman the Diamondbacks traded to Boston in the three-team Wily Mo Pena deal, hit .291/.383/.522 as a 20-year-old in low-A ball last season. Dec. 3 - 1:16 pm et Source: Metsblog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:52 PM) That is true...this does set up this team exactly for a Left handed, good defense, speedy CF leading off, and Crisp does fit that profile. I thought Crisp was in suspended animation because he's rumored in the Red Sox offer for Santana? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:51 AM) If this trade does mean that we'll be seeing either of Owens or Cabrera leading off for this team in 2008 then I f***ing hate it. Cabrera is an ideal #2 hitter, his talents would be wasted in the leadoff spot and I just hate the idea of some little .320-.330 OBP, .330 SLG%, speed guy taking the leadoff spot, it's just so silly IMO. It really sucks that baseball people have taken to the idea that low OBP + lots of SB = ideal leadoff man. Is it even worth noting again that Owens's OBP was actually approaching respectable for a leadoff hitter during his second callup, and his patience in the big leagues improved each month he was up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:58 PM) Is it even worth noting again that Owens's OBP was actually approaching respectable for a leadoff hitter during his second callup, and his patience in the big leagues improved each month he was up? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 MLB.com confirms that the Diamondbacks are trading Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for first baseman Chris Carter. It doesn't sound like any other players are involved in the deal set to be announced this afternoon. Source: MLB.com Related: White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:58 PM) Is it even worth noting again that Owens's OBP was actually approaching respectable for a leadoff hitter during his second callup, and his patience in the big leagues improved each month he was up? Balta, I don't think anyone here other than you and I seem to think Owens can be a successful major league leadoff hitter. I think he's likely to be .340-.350 OBP with 50+ SB at an 80%+ success rate if given the chance. But I'm in the minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 It's hard to find anything to dislike about this deal/rumor. Quintin was formerly regarded as a better prospect than Carter is these days so unless you're down on him after his last couple seasons, it's a very good move. Dealing for someone young and inexpensive who appears to fill a major need (OBP) is pretty close to ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...7&fext=.jsp MLB.com confirms the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:59 PM) No. Whatever. Egbert sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 12:58 PM) Is it even worth noting again that Owens's OBP was actually approaching respectable for a leadoff hitter during his second callup, and his patience in the big leagues improved each month he was up? Is it worth noting that his BABIP was insanely high during a large portion of his second callup? And despite the fact that he was hitting .340 for September he still couldn't hit a double to save his life and STILL couldn't crack a .400 OBP? Do we really need to throw the same numbers around for the 100th time? I don't think Owens is a very good baseball player, certainly not the starting CF and top PA earner on a championship team. You feel differently, somehow I doubt our opinions will change much before the start of the '08 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 love, love, love this move....2 years ago quentin couldn't be had, at least not for something other than a legit major league near all star calibur player, we bought low on a guy who is an on base machine....he tore up AAA as a 22 year old, which is actually relatively young for the league.....had success each of the following years as arizona tried to work him in...i have no explanation for his poor numbers last year but they are likely an abberation or as someone said caused by injury....this is getting instant production on the cheap and helps our OBP a ton...bat him second and cabrera first i cant say enough about how happy i am with this move....KW went to a team who was loaded in the OF and took a guy who that organization was unfairly down on after a poor performance in the bigs (carlos quentin is not brian anderson btw) and addressed a need that he previously ignored (ability to get on base), and got it in the form of a guy who will be cheap for the next 3 years and only had to part with an A ball prospect... even given his struggles at the dish last year quentin still had a walk rate that would rival anyone on our team with the exception of thome...if his power develops (which in our park is probable) this guy be carlos lee in 2 years...right now peg him as a kevin youkilis type guy, even with his struggles last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 02:00 PM) Balta, I don't think anyone here other than you and I seem to think Owens can be a successful major league leadoff hitter. I think he's likely to be .340-.350 OBP with 50+ SB at an 80%+ success rate if given the chance. But I'm in the minority. Steve and I were just discussing this. Both of us are also fans of Owens abilities and potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Well, who's gone now, Crede or Fields? Maybe one will leave to get us our brand new leadoff CF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 11:05 AM) Well, who's gone now, Crede or Fields? Maybe one will leave to get us our brand new leadoff CF? If this deal happens...we have to move Crede, no matter the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:01 PM) Steve and I were just discussing this. Both of us are also fans of Owens abilities and potential. I officially hate both of you then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:01 PM) 2 years ago quentin couldn't be had, at least not for something other than a legit major league near all star calibur player, we bought low on a guy who is an on base machine....he tore up AAA as a 22 year old, which is actually relatively young for the league.....had success each of the following years as arizona tried to work him in...i have no explanation for his poor numbers last year but they are likely an abberation or as someone said caused by injury....this is getting instant production on the cheap and helps our OBP a ton...bat him second and cabrera first This sums up how I feel pretty well. I think that in light of this team's recent struggles and my frustrations with Kenny over the years I have some trepidation even when we make a move that I like. Really though, there's no reason not to be excited about this. We badly needed to fill the corner outfield spot and I can't think of a much better outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 02:05 PM) Well, who's gone now, Crede or Fields? Maybe one will leave to get us our brand new leadoff CF? If the world were a happy place for White Sox fans... Uribe, Crede and maybe one of the AA/AA bullpen arms would head out and return us a shiny new CF with a high OBP, plus defense and some speed. Who wants to write the letter to Santa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 01:07 PM) If this deal happens...we have to move Crede, no matter the return. I think it's been clear that Crede is gone ever since the team expressed it's intention not to play Fields in LF. The issue is how much trade value if any that he has. It's unlikely, but we could just end up non-tendering him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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