Jake Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 My first class of my school day is Spanish. When we say the pledge of allegiance at the beginning of the school day, our teacher requires us to recite it in spanish over the english for a grade. Despite it being for a grade, I feel kind of funny doing that so I just say it in English. Do you think it's wrong to not say the pledge in English? Or to say it in Spanish right over the top of the English pledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 (edited) oh this is going to get interesting. I refrain from comment because I can not properly articulate my point with out pissing off one side or the other or BOTH. Edited April 24, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 24, 2008 Author Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:41 PM) oh this is going to get interesting. I refrain from comment I thought this might be a good talking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:43 PM) I thought this might be a good talking point. Oh, it's absolutely 100% worthy of debate. but if not handled with care... it could get very messy. Edited April 24, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 It doesn't seem all that controversial to me to say it in Spanish as part of Spanish class. . . unless the teacher makes you include that "under God" afterthought bit that got inserted 61 years after the Pledge was written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I don't see the problem with it personally, to me it's the same as the teacher asking you in your first few weeks of Spanish class to recite your phone number in Spanish. It is in a Spanish class after all, it's not like somebody trying to arbitrarily replace English or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 In spanish class, there is nothing wrong with it... but if it is at some random event that turns out to be in a Hispanic neighborhood, and they say the pledge in Spanish, then I have a problem with it. I am one of the people who believe English should be the official language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 11:05 PM) I am one of the people who believe English should be the official language. and I am another. But I think it is important to learn other languages in school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 wow, you and me agree on something... what has this world come to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 You'd be amazed to learn how many people actually think America has an official language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 10:05 PM) In spanish class, there is nothing wrong with it... but if it is at some random event that turns out to be in a Hispanic neighborhood, and they say the pledge in Spanish, then I have a problem with it. I am one of the people who believe English should be the official language. I'll be the first one to say that I don't think America should have an official language. Hopefully I'm not alone here, Plus, I really don't have a problem saying the pledge in spanish even if you were not in spanish class. At least you are Pledging your Allegiance to this country in some language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 There's nothing wrong with saying the pledge in another language, but I don't agree with forcing students to say it and grading them on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 04:50 AM) There's nothing wrong with saying the pledge in another language, but I don't agree with forcing students to say it and grading them on it. Yeah, I thought it was strange that the teacher was grading them on saying the pledge. If you don't want to say the pledge it should be a personal decision that should not hurt your grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Seems like an OK idea for a Spanish class exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 My first reaction was...WTF?!?! And then I thought about it a little more and I guess it's ok. But like someone else said, it's the grading part that bothers me. I just wonder if the students who start the day in math have to say the pledge in binary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to pledge to any flag due to their religious beliefs. Is it fair to force them to violate their religious beliefs for a grade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 For 99.99% of the students that recite the pledge, it is a mind numbing rote exercise that means zero. So say it in any language. In fact, I think saying it in your non native language actually makes you think about the words and perhaps will break through the rote recital. And which is more important, pledging allegiance to America, or what language it is spoken in? We do not want your allegiance if you can not say it in English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 10:07 AM) For 99.99% of the students that recite the pledge, it is a mind numbing rote exercise that means zero. So say it in any language. In fact, I think saying it in your non native language actually makes you think about the words and perhaps will break through the rote recital. And which is more important, pledging allegiance to America, or what language it is spoken in? We do not want your allegiance if you can not say it in English? Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 09:56 AM) Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to pledge to any flag due to their religious beliefs. Is it fair to force them to violate their religious beliefs for a grade? Dollars to donuts exceptions are made for religion. You know, that expression has really lost all it's meaning now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 IIRC we used a variety of similar exercises back then. Lord's Prayer was one a recalled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 09:07 AM) For 99.99% of the students that recite the pledge, it is a mind numbing rote exercise that means zero. So say it in any language. In fact, I think saying it in your non native language actually makes you think about the words and perhaps will break through the rote recital. I have to use a religious example here, but it's the best analogy to what you just said. I work for a Lutheran church and school. We hold a weekly chapel service for the kids every Wednesday. When one fo the teachers leads it, he tends to use a version of the Lord's Prayer that uses different wording than the one we say in church. He explains that it makes the kids THINK about what they are saying, rather than just reciting from memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 10:19 AM) I have to use a religious example here, but it's the best analogy to what you just said. I work for a Lutheran church and school. We hold a weekly chapel service for the kids every Wednesday. When one fo the teachers leads it, he tends to use a version of the Lord's Prayer that uses different wording than the one we say in church. He explains that it makes the kids THINK about what they are saying, rather than just reciting from memory. When I had AP English my junior year of HS our teacher had us take scenes from Macbeth and act them out using inner-city ghetto dialogue, complete with profanity if necessary. That was actually really fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 10:11 AM) Dollars to donuts exceptions are made for religion. You know, that expression has really lost all it's meaning now... donuts probably have a higher market value than the dollar anyways, i don't think anyone cares if the pledge is said in Spanish for Spanish class. it's just an exercise in the language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Considering its an elective foreign language I see no harm in using it as a tool to help the students learn. However, if it was something like a school trying to make it be recited in both languages to appease bilingual students thats another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 03:26 PM) Considering its an elective foreign language I see no harm in using it as a tool to help the students learn. However, if it was something like a school trying to make it be recited in both languages to appease bilingual students thats another story. I actually agree with DrunkBomber here Great, we're all going to die now. Sorry guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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