Contreras Trade Value @ ASB

[joejoesox]

If he continues to give us QS's all the way to July and to the ASB, what competing teams do you think would potentially bite and what do you think the highest possible value (in terms of traded players) would be?

 

I've just been thinking about how bad he was in 2007 and parts of 2006. It looks like he's regained a lot of what has made him successful even at his current age

 

With the amount of money owed to him, would it necessarily be a bad idea if the right team came along with the right players if we're 8-12 games out at the ASB?

 

Oddly enough, I don't see us being out of contention by the ASB by enough margin for KW to even consider dumping any of our players, but it's just something that I've been thinking about lately. Jose's value couldn't be higher, assuming he stays relatively the same as he is now up through the first half of July

 

What do you think?

[BearSox]

I'm still not buying this Contreras, and think this is just a mere aberration. But if we are still competing, Contreras ain't going anywhere.

[Chet Lemon]

I would say the Mets considering Pedro is contemplating retirement.

[shipps]

Contreras is a huge part to why we are in first place right now,unless you plan on being 10 games out by the ASB it would be stupid to trade him.

[Princess Dye]

probably the only way we can contend for a championship this year is to either 1) pull off a deal that only adds to the lineup 2) wait for the offense to come around

 

 

but taking away from the pitching will just hurt. true we'd have a starter sit in the playoffs, but we need that quality start every time out the way we hit.

[southsideirish71]

If we are in this race you cannot trade the Count. We cannot be in a tight race, and rely on 3 young pitchers in our rotation to pull us through the dog days. I would love to trade the count and get out of that contract, but its kind of a mute point now. We move ahead and address that trade in the offseason.

 

 

 

[Gregory Pratt]

Ideally, this decision depends on what your scouts say, and whether or not they have a track record you can trust. Is Contreras fluking it out or is he for real? What can we project for the second-half? Do we have scouts who are good at projecting, whose projections we could trust? Then it depends on what we have on the farm and whether or not we can trust our scout's projections for them. And then secondary, though-still-important questions: what sort of return would we get? Would this have an adverse effect on the clubhouse?

 

I don't know what sort of faith we have in our scouts and decision-makers, in prospects or what sort of offer we'll be given. I'd probably keep him, but I don't have access to all the information so I do not know.

[the People's Champ]

If we are in this race you cannot trade the Count. We cannot be in a tight race, and rely on 3 young pitchers in our rotation to pull us through the dog days. I would love to trade the count and get out of that contract, but its kind of a mute point now. We move ahead and address that trade in the offseason.

moot

[Princess Dye]

but its kind of a mute point now.

 

Edited May 25, 2008 by Princess Dye

[JPN366]

The real question is how many top prospects can the White Sox trade for Dave Weathers...

[Balta1701]

Yeah, like everyone else said, if we're even in the race, and as crappy as the other teams in the Central are doing that seems almost assured of being true...you can't trade him at the deadline.

 

However...This offseason...if Broadway keeps performing in AAA, and perhaps gets a positive couple of starts in the big leagues later this year, then it might well be time to move Jose this offseason. Between saving $10 million in salary and perhaps filling in a hole a bit before Jose hits FA at the end of next year, that wouldn't be a horrible move in my eyes. Broadway certainly seems like he might be able to hold down the #5 starter role next year.

[feistyboy]

I would like him to be traded and I think his value would be decent if he continues to perform well. People around the league these days seem to love to make moves for extra pitching just for the sake of doing it, even if it isnt really that needed, or even that great. People will overpay for a high priced pitcher who might not even be any better then the guy they are bumping out of the rotation for him, but just the whole idea that it is a "move for pitching" gives this false enthusiasm about it.

 

However I honestly dont see the White Sox trading anyone if they are in playoff contention at the AS break.

Edited May 26, 2008 by feistyboy

[elrockinMT]

Wait a minute. What am I missing here? We are in first place in the AL Central and have not peaked yet and we are talking fire sales?

 

Shame on you.

Edited May 25, 2008 by elrockinMT

[the People's Champ]

However I honestly dont see the White Sox trading anyone if they are in playoff contention at the AS break, which offensive questions aside, it seems certain they will be.

 

JINX

[Princess Dye]

Wait a minute. What am I missing here? We are in first place in the AL Central and have not peaked yet and we are talking fire sales?

 

Shame on you.

 

EDIT

 

what if he could net Ryan Freel to play 2b

 

perhaps w/ a third team involved

Edited May 25, 2008 by Princess Dye

[feistyboy]

JINX

 

Sorry I fixed it.

[witesoxfan]

The real question is how many top prospects can the White Sox trade for Dave Weathers...

 

Yeah, that's reasonable. Ken Williams just loves to trade prospects away for absolute garbage players every time he makes a deal.

 

EDIT

 

what if he could net Ryan Freel to play 2b

 

perhaps w/ a third team involved

 

There's no way I'd deal Contreras for Freel. In my mind, Contreras's value is higher than that of Freel. If you trade for Freel, it's a simple prospect for player trade because he's not good enough to trade a legitimate starting pitcher for.

[bighurt4life]

After tonight's outstanding showcase on national tv we might be able to start shopping Count Chocula for a legit prospect or two. That being said, if he pitches like he did tonight then i'm not sure I want to see him go. His splitter was nasty but I get the sense that he will invariably go back to the inconsistent pitcher we've all become accustomed to, though it was fun watching him deal tonight anyways. He was practically unhitable

[witesoxfan]

I'm honestly unsure as to why this is even being considered. I understand the need for general conversation, but the Sox are 2.5 games up in the Central on the first day you should even think about looking at the standings seriously and Contreras is pitching quite well on the year.

[Chet Lemon]

Obviously if the team is in good position at the ASB (and they should be), trading Contreras wouldn't make much sense. I do believe that he is a ticking time bomb right now, and will likely blow up in the second half of the season. It seems to be a trend that he pitches well for one half of the season, then pitches lousy the other half. I appreciate Contreras and given the fact that he's a consummate pro, I do not wish to see him gone, yet my head tells me that it will be hard to watch him in the second half.

[RME JICO]

Obviously if the team is in good position at the ASB (and they should be), trading Contreras wouldn't make much sense. I do believe that he is a ticking time bomb right now, and will likely blow up in the second half of the season. It seems to be a trend that he pitches well for one half of the season, then pitches lousy the other half. I appreciate Contreras and given the fact that he's a consummate pro, I do not wish to see him gone, yet my head tells me that it will be hard to watch him in the second half.

In 2007 he was just bad, it didn't really matter if it was the first or second half. In 2006, he did have a significant drop-off, but that may have been due to the extra miles on his arm from the postseason in 2005. Remember he had that crazy run from the ASB in 2005 to the ASB break in 2006 where he went 20-2. The off-field issues seemed to arise in 2006 as well.

 

I wouldn't say he is a ticking time bomb; he may regress some which is common for most pitchers, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended the year with an ERA below 4.00.

[Harry Chappas]

If you have ever seen Jose Contreras up close the man is a horse. He may get injured as could Quentin but until then he is looking unhittable.

 

The psyche is the problem. He seems to have recovered from the ails of last season both physically and mentally.

 

He may be few years older than advertised but phsically he is a man. Who knows maybe he is our HGH guy.

 

Last night was the guy that anchored the 05 playoff run. To trade him now would be stupid and pointless.

[elrockinMT]

Jose Contreras is no fluke. He has put personal problems and the such behind him and he knows how to pitch and win games. He is building confidence again and is a competitor. He had El Duque before to help him, but now I see him as the mentor to Alexei Ramirez and I think that has helped him also. I tell you what that game last night was a beauty.

[Dick Allen]

People forget Contreras won 17 consecutive decisions from mid 2005-mid 2006. I think Clemens won 20 in a row and that is the only streak longer. He is not far removed from that streak. He hurt his back in mid 2006 and lost some effectiveness. Last year was horrid, but who knows how much that had to do with his personal life. His forkball has been dancing almost like never before the last few outings. There's really no reason to think this is a fluke. I have no idea what his real age is, and he probably is an injury waiting to happen, but unless the Sox fall out of contention by the deadline, which at this point doesn't appear likely, they should keep him and maybe shop him next offseason. If they can get a great package, thank him for the memories, if not, he's a pretty good pitcher.

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

I'm still not buying this Contreras, and think this is just a mere aberration. But if we are still competing, Contreras ain't going anywhere.

 

I think '07 was the aberration. He's given us more good than bad, and when he's good, he's damn good.

Edited May 26, 2008 by ChiSox35