This year will end before the trade deadline with a firesale

[lasttriptotulsa]

We should do whatever it takes to average 90% capacity. What is the benefit of empty seats?

 

Maybe somebody should start a "Priceline" type business dealing with sports tickets. Instead of getting empty hotel rooms, etc... cheap, you get empty seats at sporting events cheap.

[BigSqwert]

Maybe somebody should start a "Priceline" type business dealing with sports tickets. Instead of getting empty hotel rooms, etc... cheap, you get empty seats at sporting events cheap.

You available this weekend to write up our business plan? I'll look into incorporating Sqwert-Tulsa.

[southsider2k5]

Maybe somebody should start a "Priceline" type business dealing with sports tickets. Instead of getting empty hotel rooms, etc... cheap, you get empty seats at sporting events cheap.

 

Stubhub already does this.

[lasttriptotulsa]

Stubhub already does this.

 

Maybe I'm mistaken, but haven't all the tickets on Stubhub already been purchased by someone and are just on there for re-sale? On those tickets the team already got their money whether anybody sits in the seats or not.

[Milkman delivers]

If we are in this state at the end of May, early June, I agree. On April 18th this is just a waste of e-space.

 

Three weeks into the season is too early to declare it over, but it certainly isn't too early to begin to wonder.

[Milkman delivers]

Because they are a game up on their toughest competition and a half game back of the next toughest team. I won't worry about CLE & KC til June & July come around and they are still up there.

 

We've seen this song and dance before. It's always too early to worry around here for a million different reasons. It usually ends the same, though.

[witesoxfan]

I'm not normally the guy to do this, but this is absolutely the stupidest f***ing thread I have ever seen in my life.

 

First of all, the initial post mentioned that this team has the same offensive problems that were only solved briefly in 2005. The 2005 offense was terrible. So what problems were solved? Will you go into detail? Were they not dependent upon the home run that year? I'd say 200 home runs for an offense that scored 741 runs says that they were extremely dependent upon the home run. In 2006, they scored 120+ more runs and hit 36 more home runs, but that's the team that had offensive problems. Get real.

 

I'd say the defense will end up being, at the very worst, middle of the pack. Making generalizations 16 games into the season about how the entirety of a season will go is f***ing absurd. Alexei Ramirez is the best defensive SS in the AL, Gordon Beckham is solid, Morel has always been described as solid and 16 games isn't going to make my mind on that, Juan Pierre was great last year and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, Alex Rios is average to above average defensively, and Paul Konerko can pick it with the best. Konerko has no range, and both Quentin and Pierzynski are pretty bad, but that's about it.

 

Enough has been said about the bullpen? Go into detail. You really think the bullpen is going to put up a a 5.21 ERA all year? I think Tony Pena MIGHT put that up, but I would bet considerable money that the bullpen's ERA is closer to a full run less than that at the very worst and wouldn't be surprised in the least if it ends up closer to the rotation's current ERA of 3.75. If you think that the bullpen is going to be bad all year based on the first 16 games of the year, then you don't understand that slumps and streaks occur in baseball.

 

Oh, and if you are making conclusions about how the bullpen will end up based on these 16 games, then luck of the draw itself will even out and the Sox will win a ton of games with that 3.75 starter's ERA.

 

If there is any team in the Central that needs to be panicking, it's the Twins. Their $180 million player is showing signs of becoming injury prone and perhaps already breaking down, their rotation is extremely mediocre, and the two relievers they thought were going to be good for them have shown huge signs of vulnerability - Capps gave up a home run in his appearance last night too.

 

 

 

So what will happen? The Sox will probably end up going 4-7 on this road trip - which will put them at 11-15 on the year - and you will continue to freak out about the White Sox and you would have sworn that a swarm of locusts came over you and that you saw a few alien ships fly over head when nobody else has seen any other type of thing. The team will be torn down, tired, and ready for a break, and then they have 6 more games before they do finally get a day off. You will continue to exclaim these end of the world prophecies, even as the White Sox start winning games and move ahead of the sliding Royals. The end of the world is nigh! as the Sox continue to win games and move ahead of the fading Indians into 2nd place. And then sometime in mid to late June, the Sox will move into 1st place for the first time and people will remember this thread and several others like it and laugh and laugh. And then the second half of the season will be fun and entertaining and a bigger roller coaster than this. I think they'll end up winning the division, but if they don't, so what? It's baseball. Settle down.

 

 

[witesoxfan]

Three weeks into the season is too early to declare it over, but it certainly isn't too early to begin to wonder.

 

It's not too early for me to consider what I want to do with my retirement money either, but considering I don't have a cent in a retirement account, there are other things I can wonder about instead that will be slightly more productive.

[Milkman delivers]

There are a ton of White Sox discount codes out there. Hell they are all posted here.

Next excuse...

 

Put a consistent winner out there. Problem solved.

 

Not a team that consistently plays just well enough to stay relevant until the final month, but a team that makes a playoff appearance at a decent clip.

[lasttriptotulsa]

Put a consistent winner out there. Problem solved.

 

Not a team that consistently plays just well enough to stay relevant until the final month, but a team that makes a playoff appearance at a decent clip.

 

That's a huge factor in their attendance. Sure the White Sox are usually over .500, but they've only been to the playoffs twice in the past ten years. If they made it to the playoffs 2-3 years in a row, I think their attendance would get a huge boost.

[Milkman delivers]

I'm not normally the guy to do this, but this is absolutely the stupidest f***ing thread I have ever seen in my life.

 

First of all, the initial post mentioned that this team has the same offensive problems that were only solved briefly in 2005. The 2005 offense was terrible. So what problems were solved? Will you go into detail? Were they not dependent upon the home run that year? I'd say 200 home runs for an offense that scored 741 runs says that they were extremely dependent upon the home run. In 2006, they scored 120+ more runs and hit 36 more home runs, but that's the team that had offensive problems. Get real.

 

I'd say the defense will end up being, at the very worst, middle of the pack. Making generalizations 16 games into the season about how the entirety of a season will go is f***ing absurd. Alexei Ramirez is the best defensive SS in the AL, Gordon Beckham is solid, Morel has always been described as solid and 16 games isn't going to make my mind on that, Juan Pierre was great last year and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, Alex Rios is average to above average defensively, and Paul Konerko can pick it with the best. Konerko has no range, and both Quentin and Pierzynski are pretty bad, but that's about it.

 

Enough has been said about the bullpen? Go into detail. You really think the bullpen is going to put up a a 5.21 ERA all year? I think Tony Pena MIGHT put that up, but I would bet considerable money that the bullpen's ERA is closer to a full run less than that at the very worst and wouldn't be surprised in the least if it ends up closer to the rotation's current ERA of 3.75. If you think that the bullpen is going to be bad all year based on the first 16 games of the year, then you don't understand that slumps and streaks occur in baseball.

 

Oh, and if you are making conclusions about how the bullpen will end up based on these 16 games, then luck of the draw itself will even out and the Sox will win a ton of games with that 3.75 starter's ERA.

 

If there is any team in the Central that needs to be panicking, it's the Twins. Their $180 million player is showing signs of becoming injury prone and perhaps already breaking down, their rotation is extremely mediocre, and the two relievers they thought were going to be good for them have shown huge signs of vulnerability - Capps gave up a home run in his appearance last night too.

 

 

 

So what will happen? The Sox will probably end up going 4-7 on this road trip - which will put them at 11-15 on the year - and you will continue to freak out about the White Sox and you would have sworn that a swarm of locusts came over you and that you saw a few alien ships fly over head when nobody else has seen any other type of thing. The team will be torn down, tired, and ready for a break, and then they have 6 more games before they do finally get a day off. You will continue to exclaim these end of the world prophecies, even as the White Sox start winning games and move ahead of the sliding Royals. The end of the world is nigh! as the Sox continue to win games and move ahead of the fading Indians into 2nd place. And then sometime in mid to late June, the Sox will move into 1st place for the first time and people will remember this thread and several others like it and laugh and laugh. And then the second half of the season will be fun and entertaining and a bigger roller coaster than this. I think they'll end up winning the division, but if they don't, so what? It's baseball. Settle down.

 

You missed the final part. The Sox take first place into August/September and the Twins, in spite of their injuries and less-talented team, end up winning the division again.

 

I mean, if you're going to assume that the same things that have normally happened for the Sox will recur, you can't forget that part.

[southsider2k5]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but haven't all the tickets on Stubhub already been purchased by someone and are just on there for re-sale? On those tickets the team already got their money whether anybody sits in the seats or not.

 

That is my point. Those tickets are already out there.

[LittleHurt05]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but haven't all the tickets on Stubhub already been purchased by someone and are just on there for re-sale? On those tickets the team already got their money whether anybody sits in the seats or not.

 

You are correct. But that's a huge marketplace that the baseball team has to compete with. Monday 05/02 is half-price Monday, cheapest tickets from the Sox are $12 each, but you can get better tix for $7.00 on Stubhub.

[southsider2k5]

Put a consistent winner out there. Problem solved.

 

Not a team that consistently plays just well enough to stay relevant until the final month, but a team that makes a playoff appearance at a decent clip.

 

That team exists with Bigfoot and the Tooth Fairy, or a couple of hunderd million dollars.

 

Seriously White Sox fans are starting to sound like Red Sox fans with their "demands".

[striker]

1. Kenny Williams job is to field a good team. After that it's up to the team to win. I don't fault Kenny for this team not winning. Do you think Theo Epstein or Terry Francona are at risk at losing their jobs? No.

2. Baseball is a game of peaks and valleys. It's the only sport where losing 62 games is awesome. We have to cope with the losses. This team still has a ability to win.

3. All you have to do first is win the division. The Cardinals won the central in 2006(?) with like 83 wins and won the world series. We suck right now but this division is still winnable.

 

[Marty34]

Kenny is the teflon GM. 1 playoff victory in 5 years. Featuring a payroll that has increased exponentially in that time.

[Milkman delivers]

That team exists with Bigfoot and the Tooth Fairy, or a couple of hunderd million dollars.

 

Seriously White Sox fans are starting to sound like Red Sox fans with their "demands".

 

Haha, whatever. I can think of quite a few teams that make the playoffs consistently and not all of them have payrolls of "a couple of hundred million dollars." All of these teams have made the playoffs more than the Sox in the last 10 years:

 

Angels

Athletics

Twins

Yankees

Red Sox

Braves

Phillies

Cardinals

Cubs

Astros

Diamondbacks

Dodgers

Giants

 

Hell, even the Indians, Rays, Rockies, and Padres have made the playoffs as many times as the Sox over the last 10 years.

 

Now I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the Sox have had the highest or second-highest payroll in the division in each of those 10 years. That is not good. And I hardly think it Red Sox-ian to expect better results.

 

I fear you and others just have such low standards that anything other than a last place finish is acceptable.

[Milkman delivers]

1. Kenny Williams job is to field a good team. After that it's up to the team to win. I don't fault Kenny for this team not winning. Do you think Theo Epstein or Terry Francona are at risk at losing their jobs? No.

2. Baseball is a game of peaks and valleys. It's the only sport where losing 62 games is awesome. We have to cope with the losses. This team still has a ability to win.

3. All you have to do first is win the division. The Cardinals won the central in 2006(?) with like 83 wins and won the world series. We suck right now but this division is still winnable.

 

UGH.

[chetkincaid]

I'm not normally the guy to do this, but this is absolutely the stupidest f***ing thread I have ever seen in my life.

 

First of all, the initial post mentioned that this team has the same offensive problems that were only solved briefly in 2005. The 2005 offense was terrible. So what problems were solved? Will you go into detail? Were they not dependent upon the home run that year? I'd say 200 home runs for an offense that scored 741 runs says that they were extremely dependent upon the home run. In 2006, they scored 120+ more runs and hit 36 more home runs, but that's the team that had offensive problems. Get real.

 

I'd say the defense will end up being, at the very worst, middle of the pack. Making generalizations 16 games into the season about how the entirety of a season will go is f***ing absurd. Alexei Ramirez is the best defensive SS in the AL, Gordon Beckham is solid, Morel has always been described as solid and 16 games isn't going to make my mind on that, Juan Pierre was great last year and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, Alex Rios is average to above average defensively, and Paul Konerko can pick it with the best. Konerko has no range, and both Quentin and Pierzynski are pretty bad, but that's about it.

 

Enough has been said about the bullpen? Go into detail. You really think the bullpen is going to put up a a 5.21 ERA all year? I think Tony Pena MIGHT put that up, but I would bet considerable money that the bullpen's ERA is closer to a full run less than that at the very worst and wouldn't be surprised in the least if it ends up closer to the rotation's current ERA of 3.75. If you think that the bullpen is going to be bad all year based on the first 16 games of the year, then you don't understand that slumps and streaks occur in baseball.

 

Oh, and if you are making conclusions about how the bullpen will end up based on these 16 games, then luck of the draw itself will even out and the Sox will win a ton of games with that 3.75 starter's ERA.

 

If there is any team in the Central that needs to be panicking, it's the Twins. Their $180 million player is showing signs of becoming injury prone and perhaps already breaking down, their rotation is extremely mediocre, and the two relievers they thought were going to be good for them have shown huge signs of vulnerability - Capps gave up a home run in his appearance last night too.

 

 

 

So what will happen? The Sox will probably end up going 4-7 on this road trip - which will put them at 11-15 on the year - and you will continue to freak out about the White Sox and you would have sworn that a swarm of locusts came over you and that you saw a few alien ships fly over head when nobody else has seen any other type of thing. The team will be torn down, tired, and ready for a break, and then they have 6 more games before they do finally get a day off. You will continue to exclaim these end of the world prophecies, even as the White Sox start winning games and move ahead of the sliding Royals. The end of the world is nigh! as the Sox continue to win games and move ahead of the fading Indians into 2nd place. And then sometime in mid to late June, the Sox will move into 1st place for the first time and people will remember this thread and several others like it and laugh and laugh. And then the second half of the season will be fun and entertaining and a bigger roller coaster than this. I think they'll end up winning the division, but if they don't, so what? It's baseball. Settle down.

 

 

Hahaha post of the month! Somebody get this man a beer.

 

But seriously... It's WAY too early. I talk just as much doom and gloom s*** as the next guy, but usually I'm just venting. The team is good. Everyone goes through slumps. Boston and Minnesota are starting to pick it up after horrible starts and I have no doubt the Sox will too.

 

And for all of those guys complaining about payroll and the job KW is doing - a. Let Jerry worry about how he spends his cash, and b. KW is still at a net positive when it comes to trades/ acquisitions. I like KW and I like the fact that he tries to win each and every year. It could be worse. Look at the Mariners. I'm not looking forward to rebuilding and I don't wanna make the Sox = the Pirates or the Royals.

 

What more do you want Kenny, Ozzie and Jerry to do? He can't go out there and catch the balls that Pierre dropped and he can't go out there and save ballgames himself.

Edited April 19, 2011 by Chet Kincaid

[BigSqwert]

UGH.

Stop complaining. Just be blindly optimistic until they are mathematically eliminated.

[Harry Chappas]

That team exists with Bigfoot and the Tooth Fairy, or a couple of hunderd million dollars.

 

Seriously White Sox fans are starting to sound like Red Sox fans with their "demands".

 

My only demand is they went all in and I am seeing the same thing I saw last year.

 

Poor fundamentals, an unhealthy appreciation for the sacrifice bunt and wildly inconsistent play from inning to inning and game to game in all factes of the game.

 

This team could win their next 10 with 10 complete games and average .300 or they could lose the next 10 with no quality starts and hit .100

[southsider2k5]

Stop complaining. Just be blindly optimistic until they are mathematically eliminated.

 

No keep stomping your feet until they win.

[sircaffey]

The organization is just not a solid organization, top to bottom. Basically, this is an organization that has it's GM throw s*** at the wall and hope it sticks.

 

Meaning, a rebuild isn't going to fix anything, imo, and would be rather pointless given current management/ownership.

Edited April 19, 2011 by sircaffey

[BigSqwert]

No keep stomping your feet until they win.

2005 was a long time ago. We have one of the highest payrolls in the AL and have been in a pretty weak division during that span. I expect a better rate of success.

[Rowand44]

2005 was a long time ago. We have one of the highest payrolls in the AL and have been in a pretty weak division during that span. I expect a better rate of success.

And you absolutely should but it's way too damn early to be giving up on this particular team that's for sure.