CubKilla Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Not only does acquiring Podsednik free up about $7 million dollars, strengthen the defense up the middle and in the OF as a whole, and give the White Sox a legit lead-off hitter (for "Ozzieball") after not having one for years, but this deal will move Willie Harris to his rightful spot in the batting order..... as an 8 or 9 place hitter. It is now imperative for KW to go out and get a quality starting pitcher with the money saved by trading C Lee away. While I haven't been a fan of KW and some..... if not most..... of KW's deals, I cannot fault him ever for being a man of his word. He said going into the offseason that he was going to assemble a team more in line with Ozzie's hit-and-run philosophy. So far in the '04-'05 offseason, he's doing it. Good job KW. And let's not forget that Vizcaino strengthens the BP big-time over what we had going into '04. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Killa..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [slaps self, rereads original post just to make sure] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Granted I think everyone here knows I am a huge fan of Ripping KW! But, I agree in all this was a good move, granted I didn't want lee to go, and I think we could have gotten more for him. I still say we trade Pauly away for a front line starter be it AJ or Hudson, and then sign a FA to play 1st. Hell we could even just get the best PLayer out there in regards to DH and have Gload play 1st. I would want a LHB in the lineup, I love the RLRLRLRLR ina lineup if possiable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [slaps self, rereads original post just to make sure] Oh, I can relate to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Yeah, I have digested it now and if we land an arm, it's a good deal. Many of us have been complaining that we've underachieved the last 3 years and that the old nucleus of heavylegged, unathletic thumpers just could not win. Well, KW is doing something about it. I guess I can't really b**** now, can I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 AMEN! Though I may retract my amen if we don't sign a quality starting pitcher. I know I'm in the minority here but I've been thrilled with KW's work as a GM over the last three years. That doesn't mean that I think he's been perfect but it does mean I've generally liked all of his moves during that time period. Before all you KW haters unleash your wave of attacks, the Ritchie deal was awful and those who know me, know that I was highly critical of that trade the day it was made. He made an obviously rookie mistake in dealing with the Dodgers and aquiring the wrong guy. But, in the last three years I've liked... the Colon acquisition the first Everett and Alomar deals (though they didn't work out, it didn't cost us much) the Damaso Marte acquisition the Freddy Garcia acquisition the Contreras acquisition not giving Maggs the farm last year in negotiations and his last two amatuer drafts We haven't won anything during this time but I think during this time you can't blame what he's done. KW works under a management induced salary cap. I think Jerry mistakenly forces a small market budget on this team but I don't know how that can be blamed on KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Ya, KW needs to get a pitcher. But I think he's going to. Kenny tends to do what he says he's going to do. I fully believe he works his ass off. In fact I think the reason he doesn't necessarily like the FA route is it involves more patience cause typically you banter back and forth with a player and his agent for a while, while with a trade, you can really hammer it out quickly and then Kenny knows what he wants is done and he doesn't have to worry about something else happening or getting in his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I also like the Uribe acquisition... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Don't forget Gload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Not only does acquiring Podsednik free up about $7 million dollars, strengthen the defense up the middle and in the OF as a whole, and give the White Sox a legit lead-off hitter (for "Ozzieball") after not having one for years, but this deal will move Willie Harris to his rightful spot in the batting order..... as an 8 or 9 place hitter. It is now imperative for KW to go out and get a quality starting pitcher with the money saved by trading C Lee away. While I haven't been a fan of KW and some..... if not most..... of KW's deals, I cannot fault him ever for being a man of his word. He said going into the offseason that he was going to assemble a team more in line with Ozzie's hit-and-run philosophy. So far in the '04-'05 offseason, he's doing it. Good job KW. And let's not forget that Vizcaino strengthens the BP big-time over what we had going into '04. Well said. The sox get a SP, add a vet UTL guy like Miguel Cairo to hit LHP and give Willie a rest, and it could be an offseason. The bullpen is very stacked now, even in case of injury. The score had on a MILW writer from the J/S saying he was most upset about losing Vizcaino. They thought he'd be the guy to replace Kolb as the closer there. Vizcaino could very well be the key--a Dotel, Lidge, Mota, type who moves from set up to closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 While I still think that Posidnick won't be the lead off hitter for long. I guess there is no sense in worring about it anymore. I will be pissed if they move Rowand to LF though. I mean there is no way any team should ever move their best defensive outfielder into a spot when you sign one who's not as good. If KW doesn't sign a pitcher and pockets the money this makes the Koch and Ritchie deals look like overwhelming successes. Not only that I have a bad feel about our Bullpen. It's just way too crowded with short men and not enough long relievers. I have a bad feeling this means KW is looking to trade Damaso Marte and either Cliff Politte or Shingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 THUD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 While I still think that Posidnick won't be the lead off hitter for long. I guess there is no sense in worring about it anymore. I will be pissed if they move Rowand to LF though. I mean there is no way any team should ever move their best defensive outfielder into a spot when you sign one who's not as good. If KW doesn't sign a pitcher and pockets the money this makes the Koch and Ritchie deals look like overwhelming successes. Not only that I have a bad feel about our Bullpen. It's just way too crowded with short men and not enough long relievers. I have a bad feeling this means KW is looking to trade Damaso Marte and either Cliff Politte or Shingo. Jeckle, I left out the Koch deal but frankly I liked the move when it was made. It was obviously a disaster but given that I liked it when it was done it would be fairly hypocritical of me to criticize it in hindsight. I also left out the Shingo signing though which was a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 While I still think that Posidnick won't be the lead off hitter for long. I guess there is no sense in worring about it anymore. I will be pissed if they move Rowand to LF though. I mean there is no way any team should ever move their best defensive outfielder into a spot when you sign one who's not as good. If KW doesn't sign a pitcher and pockets the money this makes the Koch and Ritchie deals look like overwhelming successes. Not only that I have a bad feel about our Bullpen. It's just way too crowded with short men and not enough long relievers. I have a bad feeling this means KW is looking to trade Damaso Marte and either Cliff Politte or Shingo. Pod, center, gotta put the speediest guy there, no? Rowand, right, didn't he play there? Dye, left?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I love Shingo. I'm just afraid with these bullpen signings that KW is going to try and trade away Shingo or Marte (or both). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I have a bad feel about our Bullpen. It's just way too crowded with short men and not enough long relievers. I have a bad feeling this means KW is looking to trade Damaso Marte and either Cliff Politte or Shingo. The long reliever shouldn't have to pitch with solid SP 1-5. One guy should do it, either Adkins or Diaz. Hermanson started a lot last year and can go more than 1 inning at a time. Having too many above avg setup guys is a good problem to have. Hopefully, they'll be fighting for work. But they all can get outs and keep a lead in order to get the game to Shingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I love Shingo. I'm just afraid with these bullpen signings that KW is going to try and trade away Shingo or Marte (or both). Marte isn't going anywhere, they don't have a lefty to replace him. Shingo won't go anywhere, even if another closer is attained. Anyone besides those two is fair game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 You can never have too many good bullpen arms, let em battle it out, instead of the usual, well we don't have anyone better to fill the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I love Shingo. I'm just afraid with these bullpen signings that KW is going to try and trade away Shingo or Marte (or both). You are seriously the most paranoid fan ever. KW is not going to trade both Shingo and Damaso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 You are seriously the most paranoid fan ever. KW is not going to trade both Shingo and Damaso. I didn't think he'd trade Carlos Lee for an outfielder who hit .240 and a bullpen arm we didn't need after Hermy.... Like I said if he pockets the money then this trade makes the Ritche trade look good and he would almost have to be fired... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I agree with Jeckle that if KW doesn't spend this money that he saved in the lopsided trade, the Sox are going to be in for a PR nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I didn't think he'd trade Carlos Lee for an outfielder who hit .240 and a bullpen arm we didn't need after Hermy.... Like I said if he pockets the money then this trade makes the Ritche trade look good and he would almost have to be fired... Just because Pods hit 240 last year doesn't mean that's going to repeat itself. Konerko hit under 240 in 2003, and look what he did last year. And what if Hermanson gets hurt, or someone else in the bullpen and we have to put Adkins in a more substantial role than he can handle? You can never have enough bullpen arms or enough legitimate basestealers. KW will go out and get another starter, he didn't free up six million just to sit back and do nothing with it. Get your panties out of a twist and lighten up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I agree with Jeckle that if KW doesn't spend this money that he saved in the lopsided trade, the Sox are going to be in for a PR nightmare. I actually agree with you both on this. Not only will it be a PR nightmare but it would actually then be a bad trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 It is now imperative for KW to go out and get a quality starting pitcher with the money saved by trading C Lee away. When he does that it will be a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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