southsideirish71 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:46 PM) 2 straight pathetic games. Thank god we wont go after Todd Walker, he just hits like crazy but is bad in the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(quickman @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:47 PM) not trying to be dumb, right now we are getting routed for the second day in a row with our aces on the mound. You can shurk it off to "it happens" if it continues tommorow, you can shurk it off again, if we get swept, well its a problem. We are not playing well lately. That too is a fact. You can lean on the win streak but we beat a light hitting team in Minny and a last place team in seattle. No biggie. We aren't hitting well lately. But I"m not talking about the team. I'm talking about Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(quickman @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:47 AM) not trying to be dumb, right now we are getting routed for the second day in a row with our aces on the mound. You can shurk it off to "it happens" if it continues tommorow, you can shurk it off again, if we get swept, well its a problem. We are not playing well lately. That too is a fact. You can lean on the win streak but we beat a light hitting team in Minny and a last place team in seattle. No biggie. It wouldn't be so dire if the Indians weren't playing so well right now. But they're peaking at the right time, and our offense is massively struggling. Sometimes, I think the Sox organization wants to clinch the division in one night instead of playing the game every day. The effort the last two days is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:48 PM) Only on this board do people get after the best pitcher in the league. It's incredible. Johan Santana is the best pitcher in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Let's hope Baj pitches. Buerhle already at 100, he done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:48 PM) You need to do better research. Buerhle has 0 wins against the Angels, you claim he has 2. Beating Detroit and Baltimore really is nothing to hang your hat on. Boston and Oakland are possible playoff opponents, and he was tagged. He had quality starts against both those teams. I thought people would realize that by saying he beat them was referring to him being in a position to beat them by pitching extremely well. Once his offense blew it, once his bullpen blew it. But your right. I gave everybody too much credit. I should have spelled it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:46 PM) Aren't you taking into account earned runs, and not unearned runs also? He pitched real poor in both of those games, and even though some runs weren't earned, he still pitched bad. We get over guys like Contreras and Garland when they can't pitch over errors....yet Buehrle has been worse than anyone on the staff overcoming defensive errors. Yeah, Buehrle's WHIP against Boston is 2.09. Against Oakland it's 1.96. Sure, maybe those errors allow guys to score but he's still putting a ton of guys on base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) We hit in the 250s with pod in April and May. There was this HOF hitting guy who came in around June and July. That was when we hit 270 as a team. Then when he gets hurt, we hit in the 220s. But if you think it was Pods who struck fear and got all those other hitters their good fastballs to hit instead of the HOFer that we havent replaced, to each their own. nice which is why we need griffey (HOF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:50 AM) He had quality starts against both those teams. I thought people would realize that by saying he beat them was referring to him being in a position to beat them by pitching extremely well. Once his offense blew it, once his bullpen blew it. But your right. I gave everybody too much credit. I should have spelled it out. Why didn't you say he was in the position to win then instead of making up stats such as his two "wins" against Anaheim? It is ok to make mistakes, we all do it. It is only human. You don't need to overreact and talk down to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 A win = getting credit for the win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:51 AM) A win = getting credit for the win! ^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) Wow. There is a reason an unearned run doens't go in a pitchers ERA. Please refer to my post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:49 PM) Johan Santana is the best pitcher in the league. Um. Get back to me when he has an better ERA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the southside tiger Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 There are things called unearned runs that you might want to look at. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good pitchers can get by errors. Mark doesnt seem to have that ability. Dont get me wrong, with certain exceptions, I think MB is a great pitcher. He simply cant deal with errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:51 AM) Yeah, Buehrle's WHIP against Boston is 2.09. Against Oakland it's 1.96. Sure, maybe those errors allow guys to score but he's still putting a ton of guys on base. And those weren't bloop hits left and right. Boston and Oakland were hitting rockets all over the place against Buehrle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 We're playing bad baseball and we're beaten up physically. Not a good combinatoin. Will we still win the division? I say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Why is Buerhle in, Ozzie is an idiot. He is getting shelled and at 100+ pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:49 PM) Johan Santana is the best pitcher in the league. See, people on this board do some good research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4444 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Only 3 of Buehrle's 14 wins have come against teams with winning records. Buehrle does NOT beat the good teams, teams that the Sox may play in the playoffs. Sorry, but facts are facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the southside tiger Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Wow. There is a reason an unearned run doens't go in a pitchers ERA. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That doesnt mean they cant be blamed. If a fielder makes an error, and the pitcher goes on to give up ten unearned runs, its not all the fielders fault. Good pitchers pitch around errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(jphat007 @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:52 PM) Um. Get back to me when he has an better ERA. Please raise your hand if you would take Buerhle over Johan, or by that mark any of our pitchers over Johan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I just don't understand. I've never heard fans argue against their own players so much. Players who play on teh best team in teh AL no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 29, 2005 -> 07:53 PM) See, people on this board do some good research. I say Rich Harden is the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) Why is Buerhle in, Ozzie is an idiot. He is getting shelled and at 100+ pitches. Maybe Oz thinks he is still on that 6+ inning a start streak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Gooch needs the rest of the nite off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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