Cali Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...hitesox-utility I like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Oz is pimpin' HARD for the job! As long as he had a veteran baseball guy as his bench coach/right hand man, I'd personally have no problem with him as the new manager. I just wonder how he'd react to the veterans ignoring him? Or rather, how management would ALLOW him to react?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Oz is pimpin' HARD for the job! He always did a job of selling himself when it suited his purposes. I'd like less of a 'ho and more of a baseball person as manager but that is just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I'd like less of a 'ho and more of a baseball person as manager but that is just me. It's a tough situation for me to decide - every good veteran manager had to get his start somewhere, and maybe Oz will turn out to be a good one. This team needs a kick in the pants, but they probably won't respect a young manager enough to respond, no matter how energetic the young guy is. Cito has WS rings and that may be good enough to gain respect from the players, but is his attitude different enough from JM's to make them respond to him? It's weird - this team has enough good players to be optimistic about next year, but there are enough holes to be really pessimistic too. Life as a Sox fan....either the glass is half-empty, or it's cracked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Seeing someone that wants the job this bad, really tells you how much he wants to become a succesfull manager, but not just with any old team. He just doesn't want to see the team he is managing win, he wants to see THE WHITE SOX win, he has a passion for this organization, unlike gaston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Seeing someone that wants the job this bad, really tells you how much he wants to become a succesfull manager, but not just with any old team. He just doesn't want to see the team he is managing win, he wants to see THE WHITE SOX win, he has a passion for this organization, unlike gaston. lots of people want things really really badly and will do anything, say anything for it I am less impressed than I ever was with Guiullen as manager given this. To be campaigning for the job and denigrating the experience that he is having with the Marlins right now - at this moment he should be savoring the experience for the team he is on - does not impress me. Was his mind on the job he has, or on the one he set his sights on? Ozie could also PR things when he wanted to, and he could be a huge jerk (check with CK on Ozzie's fan friendly comments) when he chooses and I just do not feel he is sincere. He is playing his cards as he chooses. If he doesn't get this jiob, I suggest to you all that he will next be saying how he always wanted to be the Braves manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I think it is very interesting that every other candidate has been asked to not comment on the search/opening, yet Ozzie has been able to launch a full force PR campaign for himself, and have it seen as positive in everyone's eyes. I am not nor for against Ozzie for the job, but I really don't like the idea that he has basically been given the benefit of the good side of a major double standard. If I were the other candidates, I'd be pretty pissed off, and rightfully so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I don't think they mind. He's not getting the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I think it is very interesting that every other candidate has been asked to not comment on the search/opening, yet Ozzie has been able to launch a full force PR campaign for himself, and have it seen as positive in everyone's eyes. and wasn't Backman bashed in here by several posters a few weeks ago for commenting that he had been interviewed - and Ozzie is doing his all out PR campaign in the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 and wasn't Backman bashed in here by several posters a few weeks ago for commenting that he had been interviewed - and Ozzie is doing his all out PR campaign in the media. Well it looks like all that self-serving stuff has got Ozzie in the same spot as Wally... no where. This is from today's Trib. For those keeping score, Cito Gaston is the leader in the clubhouse with two. And Ozzie Guillen has none. Sources say Gaston already has interviewed twice with the White Sox in their quest to hire a new manager. Gaston met with general manager Ken Williams the first time in Chicago. Then he returned about a week later to discuss the job with Williams and Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf. So Gaston, deemed a favorite for the job from the outset, has done nothing but strengthen his position. Guillen will try to close the gap this week. After taking part in the Marlins' victory celebrations Tuesday in Miami and Ft. Lauderdale, he will fly to Chicago to meet with Sox brass. Guillen probably would have to blow the Sox away to re-enter the picture. His chances of landing the job probably are about as good as his Marlins had of winning the World Series on the first day of the postseason. It is believed Williams has trouble taking the 39-year-old Guillen seriously and would be reluctant to unleash a rookie manager on a veteran team. Guillen probably hasn't helped himself by being so open about his desire to return to the South Side, where he played 13 seasons. Gaston not only has declined to return phone calls from some reporters, he has not been quoted by a single media outlet at any point during the search. The 59-year-old Gaston is said to be vacationing in Barbados this week. But rest assured, the Sox know how to contact him. The Sox apparently don't like the perception that Gaston is being considered simply because of his connection to Williams, whom he managed in Toronto. They believe that his credentials, including World Series titles with the Blue Jays in 1992 and '93, are enough to merit attention. Since leaving the Blue Jays late in the 1997 season, Gaston was considered for managerial vacancies in Cleveland and Milwaukee. Anaheim reportedly wanted to hire him after the 2000 season, but Gaston turned down the team's interview request, citing family concerns. Gaston also turned down subsequent chances to become Boston's hitting coach and Montreal's bench coach. But managing the Sox likely would be an opportunity Gaston would relish. He is said to have a solid relationship with Reinsdorf, with whom he has discussed baseball over the years. If Gaston gets the job, he might offer the third-base coaching vacancy to Nick Leyva, the Sox's minor-league infield instructor, who also interviewed for the manager's job. Leyva was Gaston's third-base coach in Toronto from 1993 to 1997. If talks with Gaston break down, the Sox probably will turn to Buddy Bell or Terry Francona. Both are former big-league managers who once worked in the Sox's minor-league system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 What is Gaston's personality like? Please don't tell me he's another manuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 What is Gaston's personality like? Please don't tell me he's another manuel. He's actually more laid back than JM was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 He's actually more laid back than JM was. How do "we" know what Cito is like inside the clubhouse? Just because a guy is completely under control and not excitable when the tv cameras are on him, doesn't mean he is always like that inside the clubhouse. I think how he handles his players in the clubhouse when the tv cameras aren't rolling is more imortant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I'll say this again, it wasn't the "laid-back" attitude that doomed JM, it was the teams lack of focus, motivation and strategy in games. A laid-back manager can be a great motivator...JM wasn't. What worries me about Gaston is his defensiveness in Toronto the last few years he was there. He was constantly blaming the media, and even called some racist. Two toronto reporters were on THE Score being interviewed last week and exclaimed how Cito was rather unfriendly with the press and blamed them for the teams troubles and called some racist when they criticized him. Coould be he was going through some tough times, personally. Maybe the years off have softened him a bit, but that could also explain why he has been out for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I'll say this again, it wasn't the "laid-back" attitude that doomed JM, it was the teams lack of focus, motivation and strategy in games. A laid-back manager can be a great motivator...JM wasn't. What worries me about Gaston is his defensiveness in Toronto the last few years he was there. He was constantly blaming the media, and even called some racist. Two toronto reporters were on THE Score being interviewed last week and exclaimed how Cito was rather unfriendly with the press and blamed them for the teams troubles and called some racist when they criticized him. Coould be he was going through some tough times, personally. Maybe the years off have softened him a bit, but that could also explain why he has been out for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 How do "we" know what Cito is like inside the clubhouse? Just because a guy is completely under control and not excitable when the tv cameras are on him, doesn't mean he is always like that inside the clubhouse. I think how he handles his players in the clubhouse when the tv cameras aren't rolling is more imortant. You are correct, we don't know. I just think all the Sox fans who think we need a piss and vinigar manager in the wake of Manual's tenure are not going to see that (at least outwardly) from Gaston. I'm leaning toward the more experienced Gaston over anyone else in the running, but I have also never had a problem with a manage with a calm demeanor. But, it still surprises me that he is apparently such a clear front runner when we have all along been concerned that 1) his asking price may be too high, and 2) he would only consider the job if the organization was giving him all the pieces needed to win. It sounds to me like he is the "Plan A" manager, even though Plan A seems to be falling apart if we can't keep Colon and/or Gordon. It will be an interesting next few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Ok ... before Ozzie gets ripped to shreds here, let's look at this another way. Ozzie has not been able to talk to the Sox about this position because his team was still playing. So, therefore, the Sox could not have told him to be quiet about the job. Second, his team happened to have made two trips to, off all places, Chicago during the playoffs. Chicago scribes were certainly going to ask him about the rumors and his thoughts about the job, coming back to the Sox, managing in general. He answered the questions when asked. Now, that the season is over, he can turn his attention to Sox job, which I'm sure is why these new quotes have surfaced at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Cito Gaston only wants to manage da Sox if we r gonna contend next year. In my opinion, we r only gonna contend if we resign Colon. So if Colon stays, KW hires Cito, otherwise it'll be Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Could Ozzie stand up to Frank Thomas? I'm not so sure. When they were teammates, Frank ruled the roost, but he could get away with it because he could hit.......then. When Frank gets surly and pouts and b****es because he is hitting under .200 next season, will Ozzie have the ovaries to stand up to him and put him on the bench? I don't think so. Could a guy like Robin Yount? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 <clip> will Ozzie have the ovaries to stand up to him and put him on the bench? I don't think so. Could a guy like Robin Yount? Yes. for some (finally) creative language on body parts from anyone, thanks! for the idea of Robin Yount, I keep liking that idea and I agree with you. I think Yount would make a heck of a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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