NON WHITE SOX TRADE THREAD

[GoodAsGould]

Chisoxfn: This is the thread to discuss any non White Sox trade rumor. If a specific player from a team becomes available, post it on here. If there is talk of a big three way deal post it here. Hopefully everyone will enjoy this new forum.

 

Now back to Soxfan101's post:

Are there any actual rumors of us going after Chacin rather than Ted Lilly? Chacin would be awesome.

[Frank the Tank 35]

Byebye Leiter:

 

The Yankees have agreed on a deal to buy Al Leiter from the Marlins, Newsday reports.

MLB.com is still saying another player is involved in the deal, but according to Newsday, it's a cash transaction, with the Yankees sending about $250,000 to Florida and paying about $150,000 of what the left-handed is still owed this season. The deal is expected to become official today, allowing the Yankees to start Leiter tomorrow against the Red Sox. Jul. 16 - 12:11 pm et

Source: Newsday

[SkokieSox]

Philadelphia Phillies Updated:07/15/2005

The Phillies are ready to dump 1B Jim Thome and other players as well, says USA Today. Just about everyone on the team is available, the newspaper said, which could lead to a massive bidding war for closer Billy Wagner.

 

I know it is far-fetched, but Thome absolutley rakes at the Cell.

[suffering-nomore-sox fan]

Philadelphia Phillies Updated:07/15/2005

The Phillies are ready to dump 1B Jim Thome and other players as well, says USA Today. Just about everyone on the team is available, the newspaper said, which could lead to a massive bidding war for closer Billy Wagner. 

 

I know it is far-fetched, but Thome absolutley rakes at the Cell.

 

 

Didn't Thome used to play 3rd base? Can he still play it? If he could, he would make a great additon.

[sayitaintso]

Didn't Thome used to play 3rd base?  Can he still play it?  If he could, he would make a great additon.

I think he did play it a little in cleveland. I don't know if he can still play it at all.

Edited July 16, 2005 by sayitaintso

[YASNY]

Didn't Thome used to play 3rd base?  Can he still play it?  If he could, he would make a great additon.

 

The Phillies made a HUGE mistake with that contract they gave Thome. As much as I respect the guy, I don't want the Sox to be the ones to let the Phils wiggle off the hook of 3 years left on a bad contract to a 35 year old with a bad back.

[SoxFan1]

Finally, a new trade thread!

[Kalapse]

Didn't Thome used to play 3rd base?  Can he still play it?  If he could, he would make a great additon.

Thome is 35 has a bad back and a bad right elbow. He played 492 games at 3rd early in his career. He can no longer play the position.

 

STAY AWAY FROM THOME.

[Chisoxfn]

Thome is 35 has a bad back and a bad right elbow. He played 492 games at 3rd early in his career. He can no longer play the position.

 

STAY AWAY FROM THOME.

I'd look for the Dodgers and Angels to take a look at Thome. The Angels have been looking for a DH for a long time and Thome could definately fit the bill (although the Angels never give up there good prospects).

 

If I were the Dodgers though I'd seriously look into Thome. They've been looking for a bat and Choi hasn't exactly been great at 1st. Then again, I don't know how willing they would be to take on that contract. However, I think that would make as much sense as taking on Dunn (and giving up all it would take to get him).

 

Frankly, I'm not near the Dunn fan some on this board are. His OPS may be ridiculous, but he's over-rated in my book. I'm not saying the talent isn't there and he does have massive power, but I'm a fan of average and guys that put the ball in play (regardless of what the stats tell me) and I frankly think that while his OPS+ is ridiuclous, its not an indicator (in his case) of him being one of the best few hitters in the game.

[CWSGuy406]

Jason -- you know I'm a huge fan of Dunn -- but I think he's a real good candidate for the Dodgers, or maybe even Boston (depending on what James/Epstein think about all his K's). I'm thinking LA, though, because they got the prospects to get Dunn.

[Mr. Showtime]

Jason -- you know I'm a huge fan of Dunn -- but I think he's a real good candidate for the Dodgers, or maybe even Boston (depending on what James/Epstein think about all his K's).  I'm thinking LA, though, because they got the prospects to get Dunn.

 

Could you imagine Dunn taking shots at the monster?

 

He'd clean up there.

[upnorthsox]

Thome to the Angels makes way too much sense, I hope it's not even considered.

[Mr. Showtime]

Thome to the Angels makes way too much sense, I hope it's not even considered.

 

Thome and Vlad swinging one after the other would make MY back hurt.

[Chisoxfn]

Jason -- you know I'm a huge fan of Dunn -- but I think he's a real good candidate for the Dodgers, or maybe even Boston (depending on what James/Epstein think about all his K's).  I'm thinking LA, though, because they got the prospects to get Dunn.

The Dodgers have been the team most linked to Dunn or at least thats what all the radio stations out here say. The Padres have also had some interest (I'm guessing if Nevin gets dealt, Klesko would move to 1st and than they would make a push at Dunn).

 

Of course the Pads could also re-insert Xavier Nady into the starting lineup and he's a pretty solid player.

[upnorthsox]

With all their BP problems if the BoSox waste all their resources going after another bat that'd pure stupidy.

 

I hope they do it.

[Chisoxfn]

With all their BP problems if the BoSox waste all their resources going after another bat that'd pure stupidy.

 

I hope they do it.

They also want to move Millar.

[CWSGuy406]

They also want to move Millar.

 

That's what I'm thinking -- Dunn would be a long time guy at first for them, considering he's what, 25 years old? And, while I don't know about the depth of Boston's farm system, the names that jump out at me -- Pedroia (sp?), Ramirez -- certainly not firstbasemen.

 

I'm sure Dunn would have a field day hitting shallow flies to left that end up as doubles off the monster, as well as the short-corner in right, down the line. Plus, Manny-Ortiz-Dunn -- that would be arguably as good, probably better, than Pujols-Rolen-Edmonds.

 

 

And this is off-topic, I had a dream that Kenny traded Rogowski for some s***ty AAA fodder pitcher. Man, was I pissed...

Edited July 16, 2005 by CWSGuy406

[Chisoxfn]

That's what I'm thinking -- Dunn would be a long time guy at first for them, considering he's what, 25 years old?  And, while I don't know about the depth of Boston's farm system, the names that jump out at me -- Pedroia (sp?), Ramirez -- certainly not firstbasemen.

 

I'm sure Dunn would have a field day hitting shallow flies to left that end up as doubles off the monster, as well as the short-corner in right, down the line.  Plus, Manny-Ortiz-Dunn -- that would be arguably as good, probably better, than Pujols-Rolen-Edmonds.

I'm sure he would, assuming he could learn to hit opposite field (a big if in his case, imo). The big issue is Boston has been pretty ho-hum about not dealing guys like Hanley. They expect Hanley to play 3rd, potentially as soon as next season.

 

Speaking of 3rd baseman, I still think if the Sox were to make a move, I wouldn't mind looking at Bill Mueller and see if the BoSox would have some interest in Shingo and a prospect (if the Red Sox feel Hanley could play now...I'm sure the odds are slim to none, but why not ask).

 

This year though the talk about moving Millar is that they want to get Olerud more AB's, supposedly. Which is why I can't figure out the point of getting Phil Nevin (since that would be counter-productive).

[Al Lopez Ghost (old)]

And this is off-topic, I had a dream that Kenny traded Rogowski for some s***ty AAA fodder pitcher.  Man, was I pissed... 

I'd be pissed too, if all I could dream about was KW and Casey Rogowski.

[southsideirish71]

This is why this guy got canned as a GM. Rick WHite? Good lord. I think I would give Billy Koch a try before I would let Rick White near the AL.

 

 

 

 

Kyle (Wolcott, CT): Who do you think is the best bargain out there right now in terms of who is available for a trade before the deadline?

 

SportsNation Steve Phillips: (12:46 PM ET ) If I'm a team looking for bullpen help, I would look at Rick White. He knows he's going to a contending team and I like his toughness and versatility. He would be a good pickup and probably nost cost much to get.

[Big Hurtin]

They just had a report on WEEI in Boston that the Red Sox and Twins are working on a deal that would exchange Bill Mueller for JC Romero.

[marsh]

Rumor has it Boston has just traded for graffanino.

[Cubs Suck23]

Anaheim Angels

Current position: First place, AL West

 

What they need: The Angels have a reasonably comfortable lead in the AL West, and they're a balanced team without a single glaring weakness.

 

The bullpen and bench are strong, and the top four starters are various shades of solid. The Angels rank in the middle of the AL pack in runs scored, but the lineup is without a genuine cipher (although Darin Erstad certainly approaches cipher status).

 

So what to do? The loss of Kelvim Escobar has forced the Angels to wing it without an adequate fifth starter, but that's not a grave problem. The bullpen, as excellent as it's been, has no lefty, so that's something.

 

Possible targets: Fifth starter — Aaron Harang, Mike Maroth, Mark Redman

 

Lefty specialist — Scott Eyre, Mike Gonzalez, Kent Mercker

 

What they can trade: Nominal top prospect Casey Kotchman is blocked by Erstad's contract and is therefore dispensable. Otherwise, the Halos have good depth in the middle infield.

 

 

Oakland Athletics

Current position: 2.5 games out of AL wild card

 

What they need: The rotation has depth now that Joe Kennedy's in the fold, and the bullpen, after some fits and starts, has settled down and now boasts a 3.75 ERA as a unit.

 

 

With their inability to score in bunches, the A's would benefit from an addition like the Reds' Adam Dunn. (Andy Lyons / Getty Images)

 

What the A's don't have, however, is a potent offensive attack. The A's rank eighth in the AL in runs scored, which, to be fair, constitutes great progress considering where they stood after the first two months of the season. The lineup, as it's presently producing, is balanced without any searing liabilities.

 

So what Oakland needs is not some middling or uninspired quasi-solution; they need a potential superstar that fits within their budget constraints. There's really only one guy for them.

 

Possible targets: Outfielder — Adam Dunn

 

What they can trade: The Reds want pitching for Dunn, and the A's can offer promising arms like Jairo Garcia and, well, not much else. Prying Dunn away from the Reds might require something bold like parting with Joe Blanton.

 

 

Cleveland Indians

Current position: 3 games out of AL wild card

 

What they need: The recent addition of Jason Dubois somewhat helps the Tribe's weaknesses against left-handed pitching, but it's not a pennant-winning move. A common panacea that's often put forth is finding someone to supplant Aaron Boone at third. Look at his numbers on the whole, and that seems to make sense; however, he's been reasonably solid for the last six weeks.

 

Cleveland has one of the best bullpens in baseball, and the rotation ranks seventh in the AL in ERA. An upgrade at the back of the rotation is a possibility, but it's not a concentrated weakness. It's the offense that needs help. Ben Broussard and Casey Blake have both been liabilities, and the Tribe should seek an upgrade for one or both of them before the deadline. Blake's the real problem; among qualifying AL right fielders, only Richard Hidalgo has been worse this season.

 

Possible targets: Right fielder — Adam Dunn, Matt Lawton, Matt Stairs

 

First baseman — Tony Clark, Todd Helton, Lyle Overbay, Mike Sweeney

 

What they can trade: It's a strong system, so they have lots of options. Acquiring Dunn would likely require a premium arm like Jeremy Sowers. Otherwise, farmhands like Fausto Carmona, Michael Aubrey and Nick Pesco could front an attractive trade package.

 

 

Baltimore Orioles

Current position: 0.5 games out of AL wild card, 1 game out of AL East

 

What they need: Erik Bedard is back from the DL, which helps this team tremendously. However, they need another starter so that they can bump the feckless Sidney Ponson from the rotation. They could also use an effective lefty setup man, since Steve Kline has apparently fallen off the cliff.

 

As for the offense, the O's rank fourth in the AL in runs scored, which is fine, but they're not without sinkholes in the lineup. To wit, DH and the outfield corners. Even so, the organization seems fixated on adding pitching.

 

 

The Orioles would love to add the Marlins' A.J. Burnett to their pitching rotation. (Jonathan Daniel / Getty Images)

 

Possible targets: Starting pitcher — A.J. Burnett, Jason Schmidt, Jeff Weaver

 

Lefty specialist — Wilson Alvarez, Scott Eyre, Mike Gonzalez, Kent Mercker, Ron Villone

 

What they can trade: Jorge Julio and Hayden Penn have already been linked to the developing Burnett deal, and those are the names you'll probably see in any high-profile deal the O's make over the next fortnight.

 

 

Texas Rangers

Current position: 2 games out of AL wild card

 

What they need: They need to get Richard Hidalgo out of the lineup, and Texas also needs help at the back of the rotation. If they're serious about contending, an upgrade in center is also called for.

 

The middle relief corps is fairly miserable. In other words, the Rangers have much to do — probably more than they can do. Calling up phenom Thomas Diamond for some relief work would help. As far as the pitching quandary goes, given the homer-ific proclivities of Ameriquest Field, they'd do well to focus on hurlers with strong groundball tendencies.

 

Possible targets: Starting pitcher — A.J. Burnett, Jason Schmidt, Jeff Weaver

 

Reliever — Marcos Carvajal, Elmer Dessens, Brian Fuentes, Todd Jones, Kent Mercker, Jose Mesa, Billy Wagner, David Weathers, Rick White, Matt Wise

 

What they can trade: The organizational untouchables include Diamond and John Danks. Otherwise, talents like Adrian Gonzalez, Vincent Sinisi and Joaquin Arias could be jettisoned.

 

 

Boston Red Sox

Current position: First place, AL East

 

What they need: This is not a challenging diagnosis. The Red Sox have a deep rotation and the AL's best offense. What they need is relief help. The pickup of Tony Graffanino solves the second-base problem for the time being.

 

Possible targets: Reliever — Danys Baez, Marcos Carvajal, Brian Fuentes, Eddie Guardado, LaTroy Hawkins, Todd Jones, Mike MacDougal, Kent Mercker, J.J. Putz, Billy Wagner, Matt Wise

 

What they can trade: They'll be loath to part with second baseman of the future Dustin Pedroia and top pitching prospect Jon Papelbon, but the Sox might trade prospects like Hanley Ramirez, Brandon Moss and Jon Lester in the right deal.

 

 

Minnesota Twins

Current position: Tied for AL wild card lead

 

What they need: The rotation is capable, if unspectacular, and the bullpen has the third-best relief ERA in the AL. The offense, meanwhile, ranks a paltry 12th in the junior circuit in runs scored.

 

Since 1980, only one AL team — the 1985 Royals — has made the postseason while ranking 12th or worse in the league in runs scored. So that's a problem. Believe it or not, the lavishly talented Justin Morneau is one of the trouble spots in the lineup.

 

As a whole, the Twins have trouble against lefties, and, to remedy that, they badly need righty-swinging platoon partners for Morneau and Jacque Jones.

 

Possible targets: Lefty-killer — Moises Alou, Emil Brown, Olmedo Saenz

 

What they can trade: Since they don't have a need for an elite performer, don't expect them to part with an elite performer. The Twins will likely shop around not-quite-premium prospects like Kyle Waldrop and Scott Baker. Jason Bartlett might also be dangled.

 

 

 

 

 

 

New York Yankees

Current position: Tied for AL wild card lead

 

What they need: Robinson Cano has more than held his own since taking over as the Yanks' everyday second baseman. That's most assuredly a boon to their hopes, but it also eliminates one of their scant bargaining chips leading up to the deadline. What they need is another starting pitcher and a center fielder that can either catch flies by the bushel or compensate for defensive shortcomings with a potent bat. And they needs those things desperately.

 

Possible targets: Starting pitcher — A.J. Burnett, Aaron Harang, Jason Schmidt.

 

Center fielder — Eric Byrnes, Mike Cameron, Ken Griffey Jr., Kenny Lofton, Wily Mo Pena, Randy Winn.

 

What they can trade: Well, there's not much. If it's a headline-grabber, then Eric Duncan will likely be involved. Shy of that, Melky Cabrera and Colter Bean may be moved.

Edited July 21, 2005 by Cubs Suck23

[Frank the Tank 35]

Fort Worth Star-Telegram (registration required): "Soriano might not get his wish to stay, because the Rangers need to add pitching if they hope to make the playoffs. Since they want to cling to their top minor league prospects, Soriano is likely their best trade chip."

 

If they're willing to trade Soriano, I'd think that would open them up to getting nearly any pitcher on the market in the right package. This is just speculation from a newspaper though.

[LosMediasBlancas]

what's this Burnett for Maroth rumor flying now? Anyone?