JUGGERNAUT Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Ozzie makes the proclamation he wants a new #2 hitter. Did he have Pierre in mind? Pierre might be growing to big for the Marlin's purse-strings. What would it take to pry him from the Marlins? What will it take to sign him to a multi-year? A Pierre move would send Dye to either 1B or DH depending on whether Kong resigns. Dye had DH does not exclude the possibility of re-signing Thomas for DH. Dye could play DH, backup 1B, & backup RF. With the way Ozzie likes to use his bench Dye would still see 400 AB's in such a role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) Ozzie makes the proclamation he wants a new #2 hitter. Did he have Pierre in mind? Pierre might be growing to big for the Marlin's purse-strings. What would it take to pry him from the Marlins? What will it take to sign him to a multi-year? A Pierre move would send Dye to either 1B or DH depending on whether Kong resigns. Dye had DH does not exclude the possibility of re-signing Thomas for DH. Dye could play DH, backup 1B, & backup RF. With the way Ozzie likes to use his bench Dye would still see 400 AB's in such a role. Rowand/ Marte for Pierre or Rowand/Marte/Gload/contreras for Delgado/Pierre I can dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) Ozzie makes the proclamation he wants a new #2 hitter. Did he have Pierre in mind? Pierre might be growing to big for the Marlin's purse-strings. What would it take to pry him from the Marlins? What will it take to sign him to a multi-year? A Pierre move would send Dye to either 1B or DH depending on whether Kong resigns. Dye had DH does not exclude the possibility of re-signing Thomas for DH. Dye could play DH, backup 1B, & backup RF. With the way Ozzie likes to use his bench Dye would still see 400 AB's in such a role. Jermaine isn't backing up anyone. If Pierre is the player Ozzie wants, KW will talk some sense into him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Yes, lets sit down the Worlds Series MVP, that is a very common thought?? Who passed out the crack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Juan Pierre is extremely overrated, and is in the last year of his contact. He'll very likely be playing in Chicago next season, but not for the 2005 World Champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 This guy is trash. The other team in this city can have him. Pass. I welcome your statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) This guy is trash. The other team in this city can have him. Pass. I welcome your statistics. I agree, where would he play, why would we do that to ourselves, and whose idea was this. All of a sudden there is a notion on this board to make our OF the lightest hitting bunch in the MLB, weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 How is Pods/Pierre hitting back-to-back as well as playing defense next to each other intreguing to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) How is Pods/Pierre hitting back-to-back as well as playing defense next to each other intreguing to anyone? Pods/Pierre have 2 of the worst arms in the Majors. You can hide 1 arm, you can't hide 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(illinilaw08 @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 02:34 PM) Pods/Pierre have 2 of the worst arms in the Majors. You can hide 1 arm, you can't hide 2. Exactly, plus they are weak slap-happy hitters. No thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 (edited) Pierre is basically another Scott Podsednik, except he doesn't walk nearly as much and gets paid a couple million dollars more. I'll pass. Edited November 16, 2005 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Depends on what the trade is. I'd definately take a 1-2 of Pods/Pierre. I think that would be quite good for Ozzie's style. I don't think I'd deal Rowand for him though. Unless it was part of a larger package that landed the Sox Pierre and Delgado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) This guy is trash. The other team in this city can have him. Pass. I welcome your statistics. Juan isn't trash at all, he's been a very good leadoff hitter for all of his career. That being said there really is no room for him on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 So JP comes here, plays CF.. How is Ozzie getting Anderson in the lineup? WE are basiclly trading Pauly for JP in our lineup.. Bad idea. If Pauly leaves we need power, sorry we need power.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:55 PM) Juan isn't trash at all, he's been a very good leadoff hitter for all of his career. That being said there really is no room for him on this team. He was one of the biggest disappointments in all of baseball last year. Check out that on-base percentage. You want that, coupled with bad defensive play, as a member of your 2006 outfield? You can have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) He was one of the biggest disappointments in all of baseball last year. Check out that on-base percentage. You want that, coupled with bad defensive play, as a member of your 2006 outfield? You can have it. Bad defense means weak arm right? Does rowand have bad defense because of the s*** arm he had shown all last year? Pierre would be our second best outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) Bad defense means weak arm right? Does rowand have bad defense because of the s*** arm he had shown all last year? Pierre would be our second best outfielder. Pierre is like Podsednik in terms of defense. Both have great speed, but you would expect them to have better instincts in the field. Considering that Pierre will make 6 million in his last season prior to FA, I'd definitely pass on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) Bad defense means weak arm right? Does rowand have bad defense because of the s*** arm he had shown all last year? Pierre would be our second best outfielder. You kidding? Pierre would be the worst defender in just about any outfielder (maybe, just maybe, Damon would be lower than him) Edited November 16, 2005 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) Bad defense means weak arm right? Does rowand have bad defense because of the s*** arm he had shown all last year? Pierre would be our second best outfielder. Oh, bloody hell. Yes, weak arm. I didn't think that needed clarification. EDIT: and from what I've seen...he has Podsednik-esq jumps. Poor defender given his fantastic speed. So, I'll stand by my statement. Edited November 16, 2005 by AddisonStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) You kidding? Pierre would be the worst defender in just about any outfielder (maybe, just maybe, Damon would be lower than him) LOLOLOLOLOL. You think a weak arm means you are automatically a bad defender. Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) You kidding? Pierre would be the worst defender in just about any outfielder (maybe, just maybe, Damon would be lower than him) Ummm...Damon isn't what he once was, but for a long time he was an upper echelon defensive outfielder. There is no way Damon is the worse defender in all of baseball, nor is Juan Pierre. Just because neither have good arms, doesn't mean they are bad defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:55 PM) Juan isn't trash at all, he's been a very good leadoff hitter for all of his career. That being said there really is no room for him on this team. My thoughts exactly. I wonder what the perception of Scott Podsednik was on this board a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) He was one of the biggest disappointments in all of baseball last year. Check out that on-base percentage. You want that, coupled with bad defensive play, as a member of your 2006 outfield? You can have it. Yeah, because 1 year makes a career. I guess the Sox should look back into acquiring Esteban Loaiza since he had a great 1 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) He was one of the biggest disappointments in all of baseball last year. Check out that on-base percentage. You want that, coupled with bad defensive play, as a member of your 2006 outfield? You can have it. According to this logic, the White Sox should have never traded for Jose Contreras, should have never signed AJ Pierzynski, and it also makes the Carlos Lee trade one of the worst in recent history. Pierre is coming off a down year offensively, and is a FA after the '06 season IIRC, meaning his value is at an all-time low. You bring him in for a solid, but not spectacular pitcher(I could see perhaps a package of simply Marte and Harris working for Pierre, to be quite honest...in fact, I almost view that as overpriced, but it's doable. Obviously, you would not make just that trade without trading Rowand, because by trading for Pierre, you then really kill any value Rowand had...or perhaps you increase it, with multiple teams going after him knowing he is available). When the guy is right, he's a .310 hitter, putting up 40 XBHs a year, getting on at a .375 clip, and stealing 50-70 bases(though not always at the standard 75% productive rate). I'm also not sure where you get this bad defensive play. His talent alone lets him catch up to balls he misreads, and while he has a noodle arm, a good arm is not a necessity out of a CFer. You just want excellent range, something Pierre does have. Personally...I'd love Pierre in Chicago. I'd hate to see Rowand go, because I love the guy, but by bringing in Pierre, you are satisfying Ozzie's thirst for more speed. You can then look to build Rowand up as a good hitter with solid power with just great defense all-around, and you either get a hell of a good package for him, or you use him as a bigger part of a package for another hitter. You then look to resign PK and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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