The Republican Thread

[Rex Kickass]

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This is a great place to talk about how great McCain is, don't you think?

[Jenksismyhero]

first post in the thread!

 

 

Repubs rule.

[kapkomet]

Fresh and new for your pleasure.

 

This is a great place to talk about how great McCain is, don't you think?

Um, not really.

 

[southsider2k5]

Fresh and new for your pleasure.

 

This is a great place to talk about how great McCain is, don't you think?

 

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means...

[southsider2k5]

Apparently China is in NAFTA now?

 

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/pos...TRmZjUyZTdjYzc=

 

In a world where the rising economic powers are referred to by the acronym BRIC [brazil, Russia, India and China], Obama urges you to make sure your children speak Spanish in order to get jobs in "international business."

 

[i know what you're thinking, and no, Brazilians speak Portuguese.]

 

Then again, during a Democratic debate, he said, "I talked to workers who have seen their plants shipped overseas as a consequence of bad trade deals like NAFTA, literally seeing equipment unbolted from the floors of factories and shipped to China."

 

Apparently our children must speak Spanish so they can explain to the Chinese why we're withdrawing from NAFTA.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Apparently China is in NAFTA now?

 

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/pos...TRmZjUyZTdjYzc=

helps if you read the quote:

"...plants shipped overseas as a consequence of bad trade deals like NAFTA"

Edited July 9, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[southsider2k5]

helps if you read the quote:

"...plants shipped overseas as a consequence of bad trade deals like NAFTA"

 

Really it goes back to the class warfare and scare tactics that have been totally previlant during this election cycle. He has to throw out all of the scary things like NAFTA and China, even when they aren't related, and make no sense together anyway. The fact Obama is conviently missing is that we have no free trade agreement with China, but that doesn't fit his rhetoric, so he has to bring in NAFTA to scare people with. He also likes to leave out that all of those cheap imports are what keep consumers spending ability in check with the small wage growth over the years. I would love to hear the howls from people if they made Toyotas cost $40,000 each to protect American automotive workers and simliar types of actions. Free trade is a two way street, and not the demon that the unions are paying him to say that it is. Remember that the next time you log onto your cheap foreign made computer.

 

In other words, he is lying at best, and clueless at worst.

[HuskyCaucasian]

it's a waste of my time to try and debate this.

 

Edit: actually, let me make one final comment. he said "bad trade deals", not "bad free trade deals". We do have a trade deal with China, right?

It's bad, right? nothing he said was inaccurate. It's pretty lame to try and say he said we had free trade with China. he never said it.

Edited July 9, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[lostfan]

Really it goes back to the class warfare and scare tactics that have been totally previlant during this election cycle. He has to throw out all of the scary things like NAFTA and China, even when they aren't related, and make no sense together anyway. The fact Obama is conviently missing is that we have no free trade agreement with China, but that doesn't fit his rhetoric, so he has to bring in NAFTA to scare people with. He also likes to leave out that all of those cheap imports are what keep consumers spending ability in check with the small wage growth over the years. I would love to hear the howls from people if they made Toyotas cost $40,000 each to protect American automotive workers and simliar types of actions. Free trade is a two way street, and not the demon that the unions are paying him to say that it is. Remember that the next time you log onto your cheap foreign made computer.

 

In other words, he is lying at best, and clueless at worst.

Semantics aside, the underlying theme in all of this from opponents of free trade (and I use the term "opponents" loosely, because being in that category doesn't make someone against all types of free trade) is the trade deficit and loss of U.S. jobs to overseas manufacturers, usually to India and China. But it is an election year and the economy is stagnant, so the rhetoric gets turned up, making the BS meters register more than they would normally.

[southsider2k5]

Semantics aside, the underlying theme in all of this from opponents of free trade (and I use the term "opponents" loosely, because being in that category doesn't make someone against all types of free trade) is the trade deficit and loss of U.S. jobs to overseas manufacturers, usually to India and China. But it is an election year and the economy is stagnant, so the rhetoric gets turned up, making the BS meters register more than they would normally.

 

The trade deficit is a function of US consumers buying stuff from the rest of the world, and not the actions of some free trade agreement. If we as a nation were willing to pay more for American items instead of their cheaper foreign counterparts they would still have jobs here. We aren't, and off to overseas the jobs go. Like I mentioned in my last post, look at the auto industry. Toyota is about to overtake GM as the biggest seller of cars in the world, and because of it 10s of thousands of American workers are losing their jobs. Its not just $10 an hour manufacturing jobs we are talking about, these are $100k plus jobs with health care, pensions, and every other fringe benefit we can imagine. How many people would be willing to pay an extra $5 or $10 thousand dollars per Honda/Kia/Lexus/Toyota etc to protect American jobs, because this is exactly what the real life cost of not having free trade would be. The other side of the coin is that it allows our industries to export to places that can use the products we do make. America exports food like nobodies business, and it was what kept farmers in business for a long time. Before free trade to certian parts of the world, the US government had to pay farmers NOT to grow food to keep prices artificially high so that they wouldn't go bankrupt. Artificially high prices in other countries hurt our exporting industries. Hell exporters are what has kept this economy out of a true recession as I type. Turn the places they export into protected markets, and we are looking at double digit inflation on top of double digit unemployment. The opponents of free trade are the unions in this country looking to stay relevant in a time when they are disappearing at a pace never before seen in American history, and for a large part, they have themselves to thank for that.

[southsider2k5]

Its pretty sad when even Jesse Jackson is whispering essentially that Barack Obama is full of it. I hate to be on the same side as one of the countries biggest enforcers of the nations racial divide, but I will go one step further and say that Obama has been talking down to the entire nation, especially since Hillary dropped out, and it was refreshing to see someone who has a vested interest in seeing him win call him out on it. (even if he didn't want anyone else to know about it)

[EvilMonkey]

Its pretty sad when even Jesse Jackson is whispering essentially that Barack Obama is full of it. I hate to be on the same side as one of the countries biggest enforcers of the nations racial divide, but I will go one step further and say that Obama has been talking down to the entire nation, especially since Hillary dropped out, and it was refreshing to see someone who has a vested interest in seeing him win call him out on it. (even if he didn't want anyone else to know about it)

I'm not so sure that Jessie really wants Obama to win. I see a petty man there, one who is jealous of Obama's campaign success, and who is all but ignored by Obama. I think on the surface he is pulling for him, but underneath, I bet he is very conflicted. I agree with you that I think Obama has been talking down to people, just not quite sure on Jessie's motivations.

[kapkomet]

Its pretty sad when even Jesse Jackson is whispering essentially that Barack Obama is full of it. I hate to be on the same side as one of the countries biggest enforcers of the nations racial divide, but I will go one step further and say that Obama has been talking down to the entire nation, especially since Hillary dropped out, and it was refreshing to see someone who has a vested interest in seeing him win call him out on it. (even if he didn't want anyone else to know about it)

And my question is, why can't general people see this? I just cannot understand the hype. Barack Obama is an eliteist - and I'm not trying to use that as a cliche - but he promotes social divide with his policy.

 

Anytime you want to "redistribute" anything in a capitalistic society you have trouble. I understand there has to be some - but his whole policy on damn near everything has elements of it. There are other ways to do things.

 

 

[southsider2k5]

I'm not so sure that Jessie really wants Obama to win. I see a petty man there, one who is jealous of Obama's campaign success, and who is all but ignored by Obama. I think on the surface he is pulling for him, but underneath, I bet he is very conflicted. I agree with you that I think Obama has been talking down to people, just not quite sure on Jessie's motivations.

 

I think Jesse benefits more from a win versus a loss. He might actually get a position of power out of this.

[kapkomet]

I think Jesse benefits more from a win versus a loss. He might actually get a position of power out of this.

I'd be pretty surprised at this because Jesse and Barack aren't exactly "friends".

 

[lostfan]

Its pretty sad when even Jesse Jackson is whispering essentially that Barack Obama is full of it. I hate to be on the same side as one of the countries biggest enforcers of the nations racial divide, but I will go one step further and say that Obama has been talking down to the entire nation, especially since Hillary dropped out, and it was refreshing to see someone who has a vested interest in seeing him win call him out on it. (even if he didn't want anyone else to know about it)

I don't get it. Obama's being criticized (by Jackson) for saying that black people, specifically black men, need to take responsibility for themselves and their community. How's that talking down to somebody? That actually is a pretty conservative thing to say, especially in contrast to what Jackson said after that, which was something about the government needing to take care of black people or something like that. Now, had Obama said THAT, I could see criticizing him. But here? No.

 

Jackson is the one who's full of it, always has been. Not Obama. Not for this, anyway.

[lostfan]

I'm not so sure that Jessie really wants Obama to win. I see a petty man there, one who is jealous of Obama's campaign success, and who is all but ignored by Obama. I think on the surface he is pulling for him, but underneath, I bet he is very conflicted. I agree with you that I think Obama has been talking down to people, just not quite sure on Jessie's motivations.

Jackson is definitely jealous. It's obvious. I mean, outside of black people, nobody likes him or even respects him. Not even black people really like him that much anymore. But now Obama is getting all the attention, and he is more or less trying to avoid Jackson and do his own thing. Jackson isn't in the spotlight, and he doesn't like it.

[southsider2k5]

I'd be pretty surprised at this because Jesse and Barack aren't exactly "friends".

 

Jesse's son is also his national co-chair.

[kapkomet]

Jesse's son is also his national co-chair.

Oh that's right... man, it all weaves together somehow, doesn't it?

 

I heard on the news this morning that because Obama is hanging around Clinton, she's the VEEP pick. The media wants that so bad, they're going nuts.

 

[southsider2k5]

I don't get it. Obama's being criticized (by Jackson) for saying that black people, specifically black men, need to take responsibility for themselves and their community. How's that talking down to somebody? That actually is a pretty conservative thing to say, especially in contrast to what Jackson said after that, which was something about the government needing to take care of black people or something like that. Now, had Obama said THAT, I could see criticizing him. But here? No.

 

Jackson is the one who's full of it, always has been. Not Obama. Not for this, anyway.

 

Jackson has always been full of it, I won't argue that at all.

[southsider2k5]

Jackson is definitely jealous. It's obvious. I mean, outside of black people, nobody likes him or even respects him. Not even black people really like him that much anymore. But now Obama is getting all the attention, and he is more or less trying to avoid Jackson and do his own thing. Jackson isn't in the spotlight, and he doesn't like it.

 

I won't argue that either. Obama is getting the national respect and attention that Jackson has always wanted and felt like he deserved.

[HuskyCaucasian]

I'm not so sure that Jessie really wants Obama to win. I see a petty man there, one who is jealous of Obama's campaign success, and who is all but ignored by Obama. I think on the surface he is pulling for him, but underneath, I bet he is very conflicted. I agree with you that I think Obama has been talking down to people, just not quite sure on Jessie's motivations.

Jackson has an ego the size of a hot-air balloon (hot air pun FULLY intended). I think you have a pretty good assessment there.

I've said it before, I think Jackson desperately want to be the modern day MLK (hence why he place the race card every possible chance he gets). The problem is that Obama is not in that mold. He's not Al Sharpton, not Jessie Jackson. He's... well.... more mainstream as to not have white people think he's some crazy black guy.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Jesse's son is also his national co-chair.

and he pretty much laid the smack down on his dad.

[NorthSideSox72]

And my question is, why can't general people see this? I just cannot understand the hype. Barack Obama is an eliteist - and I'm not trying to use that as a cliche - but he promotes social divide with his policy.

 

Anytime you want to "redistribute" anything in a capitalistic society you have trouble. I understand there has to be some - but his whole policy on damn near everything has elements of it. There are other ways to do things.

There is a difference between not seeing, and not agreeing. I don't agree with your assessment.

 

[southsider2k5]

and he pretty much laid the smack down on his dad.

 

I'm sure it was either that or get thrown under the bus like anyone else who screws up in the Obama campaign...