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QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 06:01 PM)
In a related development, Lillian moves to Boston.

 

I'm so glad that you remembered my strong advocacy for the White Sox to sign him.

Well, the World Champion Red Sox seem to be just as crazy as I am.

 

And then there is this:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/grady-...ent_id=69512448

 

He is the same age as Cano and Shin Soo Choo, and consider the money and the contracts they were given.

Sizemore may turn out to be the best bargain of the off season.

I understand that it's early, and there is a very small sample size, but he is demonstrating that he is healthy, and that he hasn't forgotten how to play baseball.

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 10:48 PM)
I'm so glad that you remembered my strong advocacy for the White Sox to sign him.

Well, the World Champion Red Sox seem to be just as crazy as I am.

 

And then there is this:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/grady-...ent_id=69512448

 

He is the same age as Cano and Shin Soo Choo, and consider the money and the contracts they were given.

Sizemore may turn out to be the best bargain of the off season.

I understand that it's early, and there is a very small sample size, but he is demonstrating that he is healthy, and that he hasn't forgotten how to play baseball.

Theres no way he stays healthy the whole year, when was the last time he did? He only plays all out and there's no way his body will be able.to sustain that. Well it's just my opinion lol

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 17, 2014 -> 10:48 PM)
I'm so glad that you remembered my strong advocacy for the White Sox to sign him.

Well, the World Champion Red Sox seem to be just as crazy as I am.

 

And then there is this:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/grady-...ent_id=69512448

 

He is the same age as Cano and Shin Soo Choo, and consider the money and the contracts they were given.

Sizemore may turn out to be the best bargain of the off season.

I understand that it's early, and there is a very small sample size, but he is demonstrating that he is healthy, and that he hasn't forgotten how to play baseball.

 

Lillian, if Sizemore does this all year, or s***, even into July, then feel free to feed us all the crow you want. Bringing up why the Sox were wrong in not signing Sizemore on March 17th is more than premature.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 18, 2014 -> 07:10 AM)
Lillian, if Sizemore does this all year, or s***, even into July, then feel free to feed us all the crow you want. Bringing up why the Sox were wrong in not signing Sizemore on March 17th is more than premature.

 

 

And the Red Sox didn't acquire him to spin him off, which would have been our primary consideration...another version of Felipe Paulino.

 

He's looked better than anyone expected, and maybe there's some type of magical spell that donning a Red Sox jersey casts on players, but it's not like we would have been better off dumping Viciedo or DeAza and then bringing in Sizemore to play CF instead of trading for Eaton.

 

Or even Eaton, Sizemore and Garcia as your outfield, while a lot more exciting/interesting/entertaining...we would have gotten almost nothing in return for Viciedo/DeAza.

 

 

It's just almost impossible to imagine how the White Sox would be better off with Sizemore in 2016 or 2017, compared to having Eaton/Viciedo. It's easy to understand they're (the Red Sox) a veteran ballclub and they're hoping to catch lightning in a bottle and they're feeling less and less confident about Jackie Bradley. How he would have fit into our plans, it's less than clear.

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You gentlemen can argue the point that he was not a good fit for the White Sox. I disagree, because he could have provided a left handed veteran bat, in a lineup sorely lacking one. However, that was not the reason given for the almost unanimous rejection of my suggestion that Hahn try to acquire him. The argument made was that he was not capable of playing at the Major League level, given his absence from the game, for such an extended period of time.

 

He may sustain another injury, and he may never be able to stay on the field. However, I think that he is proving that he is now healthy, and as I stated yesterday, that he has not forgotten how to play baseball.

That was all that I tried to say in my original posts. The notion that he would be unable to regain any semblance of a decent player, appears to have less credence, with each passing day.

 

Of course it's too early to say, but the fact that it does seem plausible that he will be able to perform, makes the suggestion that I was foolish for even suggesting it, not very credible. And, as I said, the World Champion Red Sox seem to agree with me, and not all of the naysayers.

 

 

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The World Champion Boston Red Sox threw the guy a bone . If he performs/stays healthy, great. If not , oh well. it isn't like they signed him and decided he should bat cleanup, which is what you have been suggesting the White Sox do for the past two seasons(in which Sizemore did not play)

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 18, 2014 -> 05:11 PM)
The World Champion Boston Red Sox threw the guy a bone . If he performs/stays healthy, great. If not , oh well. it isn't like they signed him and decided he should bat cleanup, which is what you have been suggesting the White Sox do for the past two seasons(in which Sizemore did not play)

 

Yes, you are correct. I did, and still would, rather have Sizemore's left handed bat in the middle of our lineup than Adam Dunn, who I thought should be hitting further down in the order.

Of course, the Red Sox weren't sure if he was going to be able to play, and they still aren't. I never argued that he was a "sure thing". I just think that we could have given him the same chance that the Red Sox did.

The greater point is simply that I don't think that it was as "crazy and stupid" as many here argued.

 

 

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 08:00 AM)
Yes, you are correct. I did, and still would, rather have Sizemore's left handed bat in the middle of our lineup than Adam Dunn, who I thought should be hitting further down in the order.

Of course, the Red Sox weren't sure if he was going to be able to play, and they still aren't. I never argued that he was a "sure thing". I just think that we could have given him the same chance that the Red Sox did.

The greater point is simply that I don't think that it was as "crazy and stupid" as many here argued.

 

But it was. The entire time you beat that drum, he played for nobody. This is now 2 years after you started calling for it.

 

2. Years.

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 18, 2014 -> 04:56 PM)
You gentlemen can argue the point that he was not a good fit for the White Sox. I disagree, because he could have provided a left handed veteran bat, in a lineup sorely lacking one. However, that was not the reason given for the almost unanimous rejection of my suggestion that Hahn try to acquire him. The argument made was that he was not capable of playing at the Major League level, given his absence from the game, for such an extended period of time.

 

He may sustain another injury, and he may never be able to stay on the field. However, I think that he is proving that he is now healthy, and as I stated yesterday, that he has not forgotten how to play baseball.

That was all that I tried to say in my original posts. The notion that he would be unable to regain any semblance of a decent player, appears to have less credence, with each passing day.

 

Of course it's too early to say, but the fact that it does seem plausible that he will be able to perform, makes the suggestion that I was foolish for even suggesting it, not very credible. And, as I said, the World Champion Red Sox seem to agree with me, and not all of the naysayers.

 

Lillian, I haven't forgotten how to play baseball. I haven't played organized baseball in like 10 years.

 

No, it's too goddamn early to call for anything. It's now March 19th and the China doll known as Grady Sizemore hasn't broken yet. If he doesn't, then congratulations are in order to you for predicting the lottery.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 19, 2014 -> 07:25 AM)
Lillian, I haven't forgotten how to play baseball. I haven't played organized baseball in like 10 years.

 

No, it's too goddamn early to call for anything. It's now March 19th and the China doll known as Grady Sizemore hasn't broken yet. If he doesn't, then congratulations are in order to you for predicting the lottery.

 

Yes, it's too early to draw any conclusions, but it's also equally premature to insist that he will sustain more injuries, and thus fail to stay healthy enough to play.

 

The guy is only 31. Now, another player approximately the same age, has signed a huge long term contract. Cano, Choo and Cabrera are all the same age as Sizemore, and they have all received incredibly generous, very long term contracts. All I've ever contended is that it is not too late for Sizemore.

He is still young enough to return to stardom.

 

None of us know what will happen, but wouldn't you prefer the deal Boston made for Sizemore, to the ridiculous contracts given Cano and Cabrera? At least Sizemore will more likely try to stay in shape!!

I have a feeling Cabrera will age pretty poorly, don't you?

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 28, 2014 -> 04:14 PM)
Yes, it's too early to draw any conclusions, but it's also equally premature to insist that he will sustain more injuries, and thus fail to stay healthy enough to play.

 

The guy is only 31. Now, another player approximately the same age, has signed a huge long term contract. Cano, Choo and Cabrera are all the same age as Sizemore, and they have all received incredibly generous, very long term contracts. All I've ever contended is that it is not too late for Sizemore.

He is still young enough to return to stardom.

 

None of us know what will happen, but wouldn't you prefer the deal Boston made for Sizemore, to the ridiculous contracts given Cano and Cabrera? At least Sizemore will more likely try to stay in shape!!

I have a feeling Cabrera will age pretty poorly, don't you?

 

 

 

Sure, but the White Sox weren't going to sign any of those guys.

 

It's not even about staying in shape, it's the likelihood that you can't build around a player like Sizemore due to his injury history.

 

For the Red Sox, in a win now mode, he can fail, there's no risk and they move on to Jackie Bradley, Jr., or acquire another stopgap.

 

For the White Sox, they would either not have acquired Adam Eaton or traded Viciedo/DeAza or eaten Dunn's salary.

 

If you can make the case why Sizemore would be better for the White Sox in 2016-2017-2018 than Eaton, you're welcome to try.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 28, 2014 -> 04:31 PM)
Sure, but the White Sox weren't going to sign any of those guys.

 

It's not even about staying in shape, it's the likelihood that you can't build around a player like Sizemore due to his injury history.

 

For the Red Sox, in a win now mode, he can fail, there's no risk and they move on to Jackie Bradley, Jr., or acquire another stopgap.

 

For the White Sox, they would either not have acquired Adam Eaton or traded Viciedo/DeAza or eaten Dunn's salary.

 

If you can make the case why Sizemore would be better for the White Sox in 2016-2017-2018 than Eaton, you're welcome to try.

 

Once Eaton was acquired, that pretty much closed the door on a Sizemore acquisition. The outfield is already a little crowded. I wasn't originally thinking of Sizemore as a leadoff hitter, but rather as a left handed, middle of the order bat. We still don't have a quality left handed power hitter, so that hole was never filled.

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 28, 2014 -> 05:14 PM)
Yes, it's too early to draw any conclusions, but it's also equally premature to insist that he will sustain more injuries, and thus fail to stay healthy enough to play.

 

The guy is only 31. Now, another player approximately the same age, has signed a huge long term contract. Cano, Choo and Cabrera are all the same age as Sizemore, and they have all received incredibly generous, very long term contracts. All I've ever contended is that it is not too late for Sizemore.

He is still young enough to return to stardom.

 

None of us know what will happen, but wouldn't you prefer the deal Boston made for Sizemore, to the ridiculous contracts given Cano and Cabrera? At least Sizemore will more likely try to stay in shape!!

I have a feeling Cabrera will age pretty poorly, don't you?

 

None of those guys has basically been hurt for, and missed four years either.

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 28, 2014 -> 04:45 PM)
Once Eaton was acquired, that pretty much closed the door on a Sizemore acquisition. The outfield is already a little crowded. I wasn't originally thinking of Sizemore as a leadoff hitter, but rather as a left handed, middle of the order bat. We still don't have a quality left handed power hitter, so that hole was never filled.

 

That's not his game.

 

He's a doubles and triples hitter (when healthy) who will put up around 20 homers and 20-30 steals.

 

He's not a clean-up guy, except in the most unusual of line-ups.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 28, 2014 -> 07:10 PM)
That's not his game.

 

He's a doubles and triples hitter (when healthy) who will put up around 20 homers and 20-30 steals.

 

He's not a clean-up guy, except in the most unusual of line-ups.

 

And wouldn't that be a refreshing change from the 200 strike outs, we've been getting every year from Dunn?

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QUOTE (Lillian @ Mar 28, 2014 -> 10:39 PM)
And wouldn't that be a refreshing change from the 200 strike outs, we've been getting every year from Dunn?

Dude, in his healthy seasons Grady Sizemore still struck out 150 times. In fact, piling up the strikeouts and not putting the ball in play might well have kept him from developing into the MVP level player people were predicting for him at 25.

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