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I would say I’m satisfied…not over or underwhelmed. It’s nice not having to worry about Crochet’s elbow exploding

I don't hate everything Manfred has proposed like everyone here, but this is the dumbest thing I've heard floated in all the rule change conversations.

Disappointed they didn't include Benintendi though, the sox saving money was a big issue for me.

This is the worst move Getz has made, he's awful, everything is terrible.

Morosi saying Boston caved today to include Teel AND Montgomery

At this time last year, Crochet had zero value. The Sox did something right.

They really want him to be the opening day SS. He was dealing with an off the field issue last season and he really impressed them with the way he grinded thru it then peformed in the AFL. They think he's ready to take off and I would agree.

That's too bad. Duber was actually one of the more objective media people in the industry. He us a good reporter keeping to the information.

f*** yes.

Watching a rebuild is fun to me. It's the reason I won't watch the Bulls anymore, the treadmill is not a fun place to be. I'm excited to watch the Sox next season if it's just a bunch of 24-year-olds trying to make it in the league and maybe break out. Some guy last spring training, maybe Soroka or Shewmake or some new(bad) addition, said the team was going to impress because it's a bunch of 28-year-olds fighting for their careers. I don't think anybody bought that, but I might buy it when they're rookies and second year players. There's some potential for fun or a surprise when there's players who could break out. In other words, I'd much rather watch Brooks Baldwin play second base than Nicky Lopez, rather watch Ramos than Moncada, Vargas than Eloy, etc. even if it means another 100 loss season. Sports is still fun. Maybe watching it on TV gets old after 70 years or whatever the average age of this board is. Or posting about it on the internet since the day of newsgroups. But its a timeless thing that has been fun and socially relevant since, I dunno, they started recording history.

For what it is worth I just got off the phone with a member of the organization. This person, who I trust, was directly speaking with the scouts who were involved in the deal. According to the scout the Sox "did well" in the trade and acquired two guys they think will be good hitters. As far as the catching situation they like Lee's defense but his bat is still a concern. Possibly he'll be moved to another position or included in a trade. Person also thinks Robert will be traded.

If you're on the side that this move wasn't a good trade by Getz.........I'm not sure what to tell you, at this point. Maybe you enjoy being contrary for the sake of it? Getz got great return for Crochet.

No, crochet created his value. You'd have to be delusional to believe otherwise.

Benintendi’s contract is Soto’s signing bonus lol

Full disclosure here: multiple Cubs bloggers messaged me this morning asking about this and I didn't know anything. Separately, I heard from a Seattle person mentioning Owen Caissie, Harry Ford and Emerson Hancock with Hoerner involved to Seattle. As soon as I commented on the tweet from that Cubs blogger, I received a message from someone I trust saying it's nothing. I'm just going to assume that this one isn't happening.

Who cares? The White Sox can't get any lower. They are going to be awful for years. If the Cubs are willing to pony up, do it.

Part of my childhood died. RIP Beltin' Bill. There he is with Nancy Faust (with her Sandy Duncan doo) and Wilbur Wood.

I do not see Robert getting traded, as it would likely mean they sold low on him Sox are better off keeping him and hoping that he rebuilds his trade value

This board is getting worse than Congress with its extremist views. Either you must hate everything the org does no matter how trivial in order to get the rage out of your system or you must spin everything that Getz does in a favorable light regardless if it has sound backing to it to help retain some level of hope. This board used to have great discussion and now it’s just non-stop whining & spinning by the same group of posters 24/7. Unfortunately, those of us who are angry AF at the organization but still want to give Getz a chance (even if 100% undeserved) can’t have good honest debates on moves as the loudest posters disrupt everything with their relentless pessimism or optimism.

To be fair most of the 15 million went to his defense attorneys

What a silly trade for a massive market team. You get junk, just to shed a contract (that's not terrible), even though youre 'going for it' this year.

Pretty impressive to have JR be pre-emptively denied by a second government.

Media literacy is at an all time low in this country. Jesus christ, guys.

Me too Garrett, me too.

I am still digesting this trade. Of Boston's top four prospects for the White Sox, Teel is the worst fit. Catching prospects are really difficult to hit and get value on, plus the fit with Quero seems awkward. Montgomery has pop and a big arm, but is coming off an ankle injury and is several years away from the majors. Lengthy development path ahead, with hit tool questions that need to be answered. Mediroth can hit and looks like a future utility player at the MLB level Gonzalez is most likely a reliever, but Sox can continue to develop him as a potential starter. I'm sure this was intentional, but it is noteworthy to me what the Red Sox did not trade. They kept their three up the middle top prospects (Anthony/Campbell/Mayer), as well as their toolsy teenage prospects who could be worth even more in a year (Arias, Cespedes, Bleis) This may have been the best that Getz was offered, but I really wish the Sox would have focused on up the middle talent as the return.

A couple ppl in here are disappointed the return is good lol

Sox lost 120 games and look to be worse with no hope next few years. I’m shocked some are upset they now have two potential starting catchers.

I guess looking at the whole package, it is a bit more than a expected, but a lot less than I had hoped for. I am really surprised no one else stepped up to beat this with Boston's top 3 off of the board.

That's not how value is assessed in baseball, or in anything in life. Catching prospects have about as high of a fail rate as exists. Good times.

Why? I'd rather give at bats to Fletcher, DeLoach and Colas.

That Harper deal will forever be the steal of the century. And no star better fit a franchise than Harper to the White Sox. Everything would have probably still flamed out because of KW & Hahn, but at least it would have given us one of the most marketable stars in baseball to help convince little kids to become White Sox fans. Now those same kids on the bubble get Miguel Vargas. No wonder my kid wants nothing to do with baseball and only loves the NBA and really just its stars.

Definitely thought Jeff Bolker was another minor league signing before clicking into the thread.

I think it's incredibly honest and if you gave truth serum to the 2024 White Sox, my guess is a majority of the players would say the same thing. They won 41 games. By July, from a simple human perspective, I think it's a very natural reaction. Of course I would want every player to be giving 100% all the time. I also don't think it's realistic. And while I completely understand baseball is different than most other professional fields, if you're at a job or with a company that has zero direction, poor leadership, poor training and poor infrastructure...when you roll up to your cube each day, are you going "all-in" for that company each day, giving it max effort all 40 hours a week? For most...probably not? I'm not defending Kopech and saying his actions are acceptable, but I'd also be a liar if I said I didn't understand where he was coming from with that quote.

The whole world thought Nick was a high first round pick. If the Sox didn't select him, someone else would have. The Sox failed in developing him. Luis Arraez and Kwan show you that it CAN be done with a guy of his skillset. Granted, they could have drafted better, but don't let that failure, hide the development failure here.

Sure, but “we’ll believe it when we see it” and “everything they do is bound to fail” are two completely different sentiments. Every single Sox fan should be saying “I’ll believe it when I see it.” That’s the exact skepticism that’s warranted with this dumb ass organization. But assuming everything they do will fail is not even skepticism, that’s just nihilism, which, why even bother at that point.

Agreed. It's very weird. Results will ultimately be what matters but he's done a pretty solid job behind the scenes. Getz has made multiple really promising hires and has made a real effort to change the way things have been. Smart people have signed up to come here due to whatever his plan is. They have what looks to be a top 5 farm system and they were around 20 at this time last year. Getz isn't the hire that I would've made but saying he's in over his head right now just isn't an accurate statement. If that makes me a "Getz Lover" then I'll wear it I guess.

There's really no excuse. My guess is they'd say they couldn't trade it. Even if they were to say that they reallocated the money to something else (employees, technology, etc), they could still do that and trade the $$. If they trade $740K in international space, no money actually changes hands. You're literally just giving someone else the right to spend $740K more of their own money. It's pretty frustrating though.

Larger shape 1B should def take that.

Death, taxes and Mike Sirotka/Soroka/Sirota on the White Sox.

From the reports I've seen, Getz is asking for a 2023 return on Robert, not his results from 2024. If someone wants to pay 2023 prices, fine...but if they are only offering up packages that line up with his production from 2024...no reason to trade him right now.

why would you trade Robert now unless you got a really good return. they've got control of him for 3 more years, and new coaches/hitting guru installed who might be able to turn him around (assuming they can keep him healthy) I would hang onto Robert for at least one more season before selling him for scraps

Also, can we now officially mock the people that were convinced the Sox were going to dump Beni in this deal?

Thank God the Yankees kept Spencer Jones to pick up the slack.

Jesus, even the homeless A's are spending money. God I hate being a Sox fan these days.

I feel defenestrated.

This is a horrible idea and not just because last year’s golden bat for the Sox would have been Paul DeJong.

It's not that people don't believe it, it's that it's irrational and stupid and so people don't want to believe it. The payroll is already very low, the priority should be on adding young prospect talent not watering down packages for salary relief.

Eh, I’m not so sure about that. I think plenty of Sox fans would actually pay the money to go blast Jerry and Getz. I wouldn’t, because then I would be funding these clowns more money. But many Sox fans would. This was a strategic move by the Sox to avoid being lambasted by a massive crowd of angry Sox fans.