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Not major players in rebuild due to poor performance, especially Giolito. Fortunately, Lopez looks like a serviceable rotation piece and Dunning a potential bright spot as far as the Nats trade goes. As far as the Sale trade, it looked much better on paper than the current reality.

Beavers getting pounded in Omaha

Rebuilding year and the bit.hing doesn't stop... Ridiculous. Its gonna take some time and trial and error. Don't like it? Follow the yankees, dodgers or red Sox who buy everybody...

Yes. For a high draft pick.

The number 1 overall pick for the 2019 draft.

The Crosstown Cup

And why the heck do you bunt when down late in the game especially when you've already burned though half your bullpen, and the other half could use a night off? But it's a happy clubhouse that pays proper respect to the FO and that's what's important. This org. hasn't shown any interest in hiring independent professionals in 2 decades.

An awful lot of work in writing up what amounts to a stupid question.

I know that some time back I started a thread about firing our worthless manager, but could not find it. So here's a new one. Why does Cedeno have a pitch limit of 5? Why does Avilan have a pitch limit of 4? Why was Minaya with his ERA of 8+ allowed to stay in the game and give up the winning run while far more talented pitchers were taken out of the game extra early? Why were the team's hottest hitters taken out of the game and replaced with cold stiffs? Fire Ricky Renteria. Its the only we can compete this year.

It amazes me that someone would wield a quality education as an insult.

Harvard educated

I've sat through a few seminars with Hahn and he mentioned at those seminars he expected Fulmer and Giolito to be major parts of the rebuild.

Giolito was absolutely supposed to be part of the rotation for when they're contenders. Hopefully Covey becomes a member.

Neither of those guys are major players in the rebuild. In fact, pretty much nobody on the current MLB roster with the exception of Anderson and Moncada are major parts of the rebuild. You have disappointments and surprises, so we just have to see things play out. The Sox have a lot of talent that's going to emerge within the next season, so just R-E-L-A-X. As long as there are guys who surprise to match some of the disappointments, this rebuild will be fine.

I realize that this 2018 White Sox season is a rebuild/tanking/throwing up the white flag season. Still. to have Giolito continue in the White Sox rotation is a farce. Is Hahn too stubborn to face the fact that Giolito can't get anybody out. They sent Fulmer down to the minors earlier this season simply because he didn't get the job done. Its beginning to look like this so called rebuild is really going to take years before it becomes successful. Too many players counted on to turn this team around are not performing as well as expected. Giolito should join Fulmer in the minor leagues. Hopefully he can turn his career around down there.

Shrug. Just one game. Always with the negative hyperbole.

Palka is indeed on deck

C'mon gardy not even close

His OPS was 1000 in May.

I hope all of those who want Giolito sent down understand that you're punting on him at that point. You're saying that he's not going to figure it out here or ever. He's going to get caught in a numbers game next year in the spring, while being out of options. They can afford to give him every opportunity to figure it out in the Bigs. Why lose that flexibility?

Damn right...even a clean pickoff can not stop little Chuck....

You cant stop Charlie Tilson, you can only hope to contain him.

Nice

Yeah, I agree with this. Just ride it out and see if anything gives. We're 20 games under .500 and I don't really give a damn. I mean, today sucked on the surface. However, he only walked two - the two walks were just in front of Castellanos who burned him. One guy did this on two pitches. This wasn't his typical marathon start, where he's walking a batter an inning and falling behind in every count. Don't get me wrong - still discouraging. So long as he's not blowing up in the 1st or 2nd inning of every start like Fulmer, though. I think you ride out the storm.

LMAO. Of course. When he got down 3-0, I was sure he'd never throw 3 strikes in a row. Inning coulda been worse...he hit a guy who was swinging so he got lucky there. then he grooves absolute meat to Castellanos, one of the better hitters in the game.

Regarding Giolito, I think you give him the rest of the season with Coop and see if he can make any strides. At this point in the season I hate wasting his last option. If he continues to struggle, give him as much time as needed in AAA next year to figure his shit out. We can start off 2019 with a rotation of Rodon, Lopez, Covey, Stephens, & filler until Kopech is ready.

Swing the freaking bat. What a headcase

And when they make the playoffs, the opposing pitchers will be bad, or what?

But I think it all goes back to the question---- How important are wins and losses? Obviously a lot of losses means a better draft pick. Is Hahn making the major decisions on overall "strategy" and RR just following orders. I posted a while back that i thought Moncada should not bat lead-off. He was struggling and I thought a change would help. Several posters said this year was not important and more AB's for Moncada was the goal. Well he is struggling worse and except for LH starters, he still leads off. Traditionally a leadoff hitter is not someone having major struggles. But if getting AB's for Moncada is more important than winning, why isn't Anderson batting 2nd to get him more AB's as well.

Just win baby!...or just lose, I'm confused now.

So velocity is secondary, but Dane Dunning isn’t going to make with a “90 to 92 MPH”? Maybe you should reference this post in the future when you start writing off Dane again.

Torres also hits in a crazy lineup though. It's unsustainable, but he won't slump as bad as Moncada has. I myself am not worried, just saying Torres and Moncada play for completely different team lineups. I'm sure Moncada would be putting up similar numbers if he had that level of protection.

I do agree that it seems to be a "closed" "family" type operation. Unless you are part of or were part of the Sox there doesn't seem to be a place for outsiders. That's bad because you start to get a "group think" in certain areas if everyone is having the same experiences. They need new blood, outside the organization with fresh ideas and ways of looking at the issues and problems. Again though that's not JR's way, it's seems to be "loyalty" above all else unfortunately. I think the rebuild has a good chance of working, but I think it would have had a better chance if the same front office that put the franchise into the ditch wasn't being asked to fix it. All you can do as a fan is hope it all works in the end.

Given that Navarez hit a three run home run it was surprising to see him bunt, but that's Ricky. Also Minaya is the 13th pitcher on the staff, only up because Jones is again on the DL. Why is he pitching in a tie game? Strange. Personally I hope RR is not the manager if this team gets good but remember JR doesn't think and never has thought that head coaches or managers are that crucial, he certainly won't go out and pay top dollar to get one or even see if one can be available through trade while under contract. (It has happened before by the way where a manager was traded for a player), that's not the way he operates.

In Heyman's weekly notes, he's made a few comments about how poorly the Sox are playing in terms of fundamentals. Wonder if this is part of why he mentioned the Girardi speculation.

I always got Minaya and Infante mixed up.

Now, that's silly. I'm reading all sorts of ridiculous excuses to rush a guy up, when he has a snowball's chance in hell right now. "Frustration" means exactly jack and shit when you're walking the yard, and forcing more workload on less-talented team mates in the bullpen. If he were to be rushed up now, WE'D all be frustrated, his team mates would be struggling [particularly the flimsy bullpen], and HE'D have the new excuse of having "lost confidence." Here's a novel concept that many are reluctant to embrace: Let him EARN HIS SPOT by right of superior performance, instead of rushing him up Carson Fulmer-style. [And squandering an option year, and wasting his pre-arb controllable years while he figures it out, Carson Fulmer-style.] Setting expectations for young men has never hurt anyone, and I'm still dubious about "frustration" harming his prospective MLB career, or hurting him in any way. Of course he's human, but I'm pretty sure he puts on his "big boy pants," irrespective of his emotions. He's plenty young enough, and I'm willing to wait to try to find out if it were in any way possible to do. If a reduction in walk rate to 4-ish "cost him" a marginal declination in K/9 down to, say ~10ish, it would be worth it, IMHO. At the same time, his LD% suggests he'd be hit around were he to come up as well. I'd prefer that number to be south of 20%, as BABIP on line drives is high. As an aside, there's something about the younger SPs in the org that I've wondered about. Consider the BB/9 for the following: Rodon: 4.02 in 2017 Lopez: 3.96 this year Fulmer: 6.68 in Chicago this year Kopech: 6.06 in Charlotte this year I wonder if this org would be better-served to focus on FB command/control for their higher-level SP prospects BEFORE having them master a change. [I don't know this to be the case or not, but the cavalcade of walks is irritating, and leads me to speculate about this.] Heck, even Lopez and Rodon, who are the best of the bunch, aren't exactly Mark Buehrle in terms of limiting the free pass. Happily, Hansen's BB/9 was < 4.0 in all stops last year, so I'll concede that I may be finding trends where perhaps there aren't any. I just hate walks.

please calm down about Moncada. When it matters, he will hit. Until then I bet he's .230-.250 with some incredible games, some lousy. From what I've read he isn't the greatest competitor. When a team is this bad, yes he'll lose focus on occasion. He'll hit when we get good, folks. He'll hit some before then too.

Well, thank God both Albies and Moncada can be good players at the same time. Strange, strange logic.

He's produced about 2 fWAR in 3/4 of a season at the MLB level, most of that before he turned 23. Yea I'd prefer he had a better last month but this is far from a situation like Viciedo or even Avi, where a guy is entering his third or fourth pro season and is still hovering around replacement level. It's stupid but we really just need to be patient and stop trying to evaluate on a night by night basis. I am guilty of this myself.

I’m not sure what you expected, but I don’t expect rookies to come in and light the world on fire all the time. Some do, and that’s great, but most don’t. If a year from now Moncada has a 95 WRC+, then I’ll be concerned.

I love it. The same people declaring Moncada to be a god in April are the ones declaring that he’s on the verge of busting. The most frustrating part of this rebuild is not the losing, it’s the fans. For God’s sake, Moncada is in his first year in the big leagues, Kopech is 22 years old, and no one else vital to this rebuild has a done anything to be deemed a failure! Do the White Sox develop players like Atlanta and the Yankees? No does that mean that this rebuild is proving unsuccessful? Not even close, get a grip

Y'all are hilarious. A 22 year old has a month of bad-ish starts and everyone is like "I never liked him, why did we get him, Hahn got snookered."

So Michael Kopech is the right handed version of Randy Johnson? Very interesting... I guess we can already say that Hahn won the Sale trade then.

Want some cheese with your whine bro?

While I agree with you in general about Kaplan, the point about Moncada's Ks, and him moronically being rushed up holds true. Look at Moncada's splits, AWAY from the Charlotte bandbox last season. [OPS: .941 in Charlotte, .696 AWAY]. He OPS'ed .741 vs LHP/as a RHB in Charlotte, while he OPS'ed .856 as a LHB. Moncada 2017 MiLB Splits Is anyone REALLY surprised that Moncada is now worthless as a RHB? 28 WRC+ as a RHB this year. His K rate as a RHB is a vomit-inducing 40%. Moncada 2018 Splits I'm NOT saying that "he's a bust," or "I hate Moncada," or any other lazy takes on this. What I AM saying is that it was stupid, idiotic, moronic, and dumb to rush him up last season, and now we're seeing the results of that dumb decision. BTW, he's burning an option year and his controllable time while he's hitting worse than many fat slobs on these boards as a RHB. Here's hoping that this stupid decision doesn't scupper this rebuild.

Why don't you have a post limit?

Whoever the next owner of this organization is (and there has to be several people or groups out there who consider themselves to be the possible successor to the current regime), he/she/they must be chomping at the bit to come in and turn this mess of a franchise around.

Dude Moncada has a 556 OPS over the last month. Albies is also two years younger than Moncada and has already leapfrogged him. Albies only cost the Braves 350K too.