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So a guy with strong Sox sources says he loves their chances with Machado, yet people are fixated on if he’s a jerk or not? I get it, WSD isn’t for everyone. But I trust him a hell of a lot more than Nightengale.7 points
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WSD is the worst twitter follow I have. I alternate between following and unfollowing him because I know he does scoop stuff sometimes, but literally every tweet in between makes me want to smash my face into a table. I need to unfollow again. You guys will keep me posted on what he says anyway.7 points
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You ask them if that’s an offer of a contract they will offer a handshake agreement on. If they don’t say yes then you don’t answer. If they say yes, you congratulate him on joining the white Sox.5 points
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Unlike Dan Clark, he has a reason. He works for Barstool.5 points
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My take, Passan (who has legit sources and has been right all off season) reports : Sox willing to go 10+ years. I believe the White Sox did not want this info out because they did not want to lose leverage so they quickly fed Bruce the 7 year info.4 points
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Seriously. Like him or not, we don't care, but clearly his intel is good.4 points
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My guess is that he waits until Machado signs, thus putting even more pressure on phillies/sox (whomever doesn't get Machado) to ante up for Harper. I'd agree that the early opt outs would be a big + for him. He is a very special case where his marketing buzz would be incredibly beneficial to teams with no buzz (White Sox), but his overall play is nowhere near worth a 400 mill contract. I mean, as a fan, I want him on my team 100% and couldn't care about the money, but if I was a business man in an organization such as the Dodgers, there's no way in hell I'd go and get him. Just look @ Stanton's value for comparision (and Stanton IMO is a better producer than Harper has been recently, at least 2 years ago). Stanton signed that huge contract, slugged some 50+++ home runs, and gets traded for nothing because his value is equal or worse than his contract. Harper is going to get a bigger contract than that AND likely produce less and may potentially be a liability on defense thus shoving him to 1b/DH. There's no winning in this contract for the big markets like Cubs/Dodgers/Yankees. The win comes from the marketability offset by teams like the White Sox and possibly the Phillies.4 points
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Lol...I take it you don’t like “victory beefs” because those make up half of his tweeter feed.4 points
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I too like to make critiques that can never be disproven because i will just change the degree of what was necessary to make my point valid.3 points
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The offseason is just not fun anymore. When your team is one of the few in on some of the most exciting and celebrated free agents in history, it should be fun to follow. This is frustrating and old and I hate it. I don’t know if it’s social media that’s to blame, or another instance of teams and players finding “optimal” strategies that just happen to be worse and less fun for fans to following consume, but it sucks and i wish it would end.3 points
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Signing Pollock is a great way for Engel to get 350 ABs as the starting CF too.3 points
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I respect Sherman. He is a great reporter and spot on with Yankees info. Sorry Dan Clark, Machado isn’t signed3 points
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Bucket only appears after midnight when the moon aligns with Venus and mars2 points
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We need YOU to bail us out with some inside info.2 points
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What happened today was exactly what one might expect to happen if the White Sox were right in the middle of these things2 points
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Holy schnikies is this an explosion of bad takes. First, "talent hasn't proven itself yet"??? Did you actually think the rebuild would be over in 2 years? That is an absurd expectation. The future of the team is still mostly in the minors or having just arrived late last year. Other than Moncada, who we all agree hasn't been as good as we'd hoped (though he's not as awful as some are saying either), we really haven't seen enough to know at all. Squandering because they wouldn't spend? 2006 the Sox dramatically INCREASED payroll from 2005. That team collapsed late on pitching mostly, not because the team wouldn't spend. The 2000 team won the division, then the Sox went from near-bottom payroll to league-average payroll the next two years which is a big jump. What are you talking about? It is a miracle they won in 2005 in the same sense it's a "miracle" when any team wins the World Series. That team was dominant all year.2 points
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I am fully in favor of artificial deadlines to make the offseason more fun to follow. It would also serve in allowing some functional time off for front offices in january. Flurry of activity > slow trickles of activity over months. Would much rather beat a dead horse to the ground of potential lineups than contract opt outs and analyzing instagram. You can't tell me it would meaningfully change team building. The disadvantages would be marginal, to whatever degree teams are gaining from stringing vets along.2 points
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That makes sense, after all, since he works for ESPN, he is probably not familiar with the existence of the White Sox.2 points
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Help me Obi wan you're my only hope Help me Obi won you're my only hope Help me Obi won you're my only hope2 points
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Let’s be honest here. If we know the Nats offered Bryce 10/$300M, there is no way in hell the Sox think a 7 year deal is going to cut it. More importantly, there is no benefit of leaking this and then not landing one of these guys. The Sox fanbase would revolt in anger if we half-assed pursuits of these guys. That tells me the Sox are optimistic about their chances of landing one of them and are leaking their offer won’t be 10 years in hopes of preventing the Phillies from doing something crazy.2 points
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Husband of a person I knew in high school.2 points
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Because when you are talking about $30 million a year versus $50 million a year, that is an extra $20 million a year that can't be spent. Even if you think the Sox are a $200 million payroll franchise in the future, that is 10% of your payroll EXTRA that is tied up in one player that can't be used. A $20 million payroll slot can get you a pretty good player. While they might be able to absorb it early, it would come back to haunt you in the later years of that deal right when your younger players are hitting their primes and getting expensive.2 points
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While we are playing checkers, Bruuuuuuuuuce is playing chess. None of us accounted for the two leap years.2 points
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Really does it matter if it's 5 years, 7 years or 12 years? It's going to be all about the 3 year or 4 year opt out and front loading the contract. Harper and Boras want a record breaking number for optics, but he'll opt out at 29 or 30 and try again for another front loaded contract. My guess at least.2 points
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Not buying this for one minute. Hahn has talk about this years free agency approach with these big guys as revolutionary and more creative for the league and the White Sox. I mean, sure, you could show some creativity in a 7 year deal, but I would expect the levels of creativity he talked about to be approached in 10+ year offers.2 points
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Yeah if he's backing it up, that's not good. He's always been so optimistic about the Sox going after these guys.2 points
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Harper taking a short term deal would really negatively impact future free agents. We’ve already seen the market completely shift focus on older players past their prime. If a 26 yr. old can’t get a record deal, the MLBPA will have an aneurysm.2 points
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If you sign Machado, I think you still go after Harper. Look at this projected 2020 lineup: Moncada, 2B Machado, 3B Harper, RF Jimenez, LF Abreu, DH (via tender) Alonso / cheap vet, 1B Anderson, SS Collins, C Basabe, CF All of a sudden, you have Madrigal and excess OFs (Robert would be off limits) that can be used in a package to acquire a stud TOR starter to head a young, talented staff. I’d rather spend big on young positional guys and trade for an impact starter than vice versa.2 points
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Rosenthal on hot stove said that Dodgers don't want to go to a long term deal for harper2 points
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Ya, but he included it at the bottom of a baseball-related article in which he was gloating about being "right" on a baseball-related scoop.2 points
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Harper meeting with Philly now is interesting. To me it kinda indicates his market isn't as hot as they thought it'd be. There is no market. We are the market (White Sox). Nats tapped out at 10/300 and went other ways. Dodgers/Cubs aren't realistic, no matter what fan boy dreams want to say. Both teams don't gain the marketing advantage that Harper brings and wouldn't be worth his value AND the cubs have serious financial issues while the Dodgers are more inclined to go other ways (Realmuto/Kluber/Pollock potentially). White Sox obviously would love Harper, but Harper probably doesn't want to be a W'Sox. Yankees don't need an OF and are even hesitant on signing Machado for a big contract. Their out. Phillies have the need like us and the money, but Harper apparently dislikes them more than the W'Sox. There is no market for Harper.2 points
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Either way he gets no sympathy from me because how big of a douche he has been. The guy acts like a 15 year old trying to be cool and not any resemblance of a professional journalist.2 points
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The thing about Clark's tweet was how much certainty he was throwing behind one second hand source. That is the difference between rosenthals/shermans/etc, who either get high up sources but also often get confirmation from multiple. On flip side, it often means by time you get the info it's darn near finished. Info like clark's can appear way before anything is finalized, and end up false due to changing in circumstances or false due to the source relaying the information with more certainty or lack of context than it requires. But, Clark may end up being right despite wrong info, or wrong despite right info, or just got cautious info and blew it up way out of proportion because he's a dip, but anyway, this is a message board and if you didn't come here for rumors, you'll get them anyway.2 points
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Kudos to those who were calling Clark’s tweet BS last week. Now that the big boys are returning to work, all signs point to him spewing BS without real information last week. He was either trying to strike first with a scoop by picking the most likely scenario while others are taking the week off, or he was fed with bad information and wanted to go down in flame with it.2 points
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Nice to see they are still negotiating. Yankees/Dodgers seem to be in enviable seat where they can just see what others offer and figure out what gets them close enough to sign since they appear to be preferred destinations. I hope sox make it as uncomfortable as possible.1 point
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Huh? Did you receive the text but hold off on reading it until you came here to post that message?1 point
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Rommel you magnificent son of a b**** I've read your tweet!1 point
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Rumor is Machado is also following Guy Fieri on IG hinting that he may be heading to Flavor Town.1 point
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No comment to those two sentences. That said, thank you to the owner and the mods for their work. I don't think the board has been out of control lately even in the Machado thread. Some people think we truly have a chance at Manny and Harper, others think we've never had an iota of a chance and we're being used by agents. I tend to think we won't get either but I could be mistaken. Cheers. Happy Holidays. Watch "It's a Wonderful Life" or Alastair Sim's Scrooge to get you in the holiday mood. GO SOX!1 point
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