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Zero tools? Do you actually understand what tools are? And JFC, he’s a former HS pick (a raw one no less) who has less than 600 professional at-bats. It should surprise no one his results have been poor so far. That being said, this idea that he can’t get better is just plain stupid.

Adolfo has a much better chance of being a big leaguer than Rutherford. Same with Basabe.

We're complaining about a 20% K-rate now for a guy slugging 1000? What exactly are the standards around here? Joe DiMaggio? I mean, Trout's K-rate is usually around 25%. Is he bad?

16 RBI for Yoán Moncada is most by a White Sox player through the team's first 16 games of a season since Joe Crede (18) in 2008

Moncada should get it more.

I like that "go zone" graphic, one of the few actually useful additions to the broadcast.

Jack. Cool it on the Giolito hype for a night. We get it.

I had said I would cut back on my games attended. It's 65, sunny, the teams playing wellish, and tickets were 4 bucks. I am weak.

This is the best part about everything in regards to Moncada... the adjustments that pitchers will make are ones he can easily handle because he has an elite batting eye. So now a pitcher may say he's being more aggressive early, let's not attack him so much early... and Yoan will take those pitches, get ahead in the count, and increase his production that way. His eye is still a strength and still exists, he's just using it differently now.

You may have an argument but it's not happening. If everyone takes a look at the split of McCann and Castillo starting behind the plate you'll notice that McCann always catches Rodon and Giolito. That's by design and not going to change. Rodon's "camp" - we'll say - has been very vocal in the past about the lack of quality catching on the MLB roster.

Yea the beauty with 5 tool guys like Yoan is that the path from 2 WAR to 4 and higher is with marginal improvement. If he can just marginally improve his contact rate he'll be a star.

I know it is a small sample size, but again his LD% is at 25.7% currently. The notion that all he does is have weak contact hits is complete bullshit spewed by people who don't like his profile, or that the Sox took him at #4 in the draft.

Robert should be on the super fast track. Either AA or AAA can be bypassed. There is no good reason for not moving him now.

Agreed with this. One example I would give is a 1.5 WAR closer with playoff experience on a $12 mil contract would be worth than a 1.5 WAR 7th inning RP with no PO experience on the same salary, especially around TDL. And if I were to consider team needs, I would potentially pay more for a 1.5 WAR closer with 0 surplus value than to pay for a 0.5 WAR reliever with the same surplus value.

Agree. It was more directed at the people who just simply don't like Madrigal for the reasons you stated. I appreciate the actual responses, like yours, with valid claims and concerns.

Trades at the deadline are not entirely based on surplus value and saying otherwise is flawed or disengenous.

2 White Sox in the believe section. Nice!

File this under "pretty cool" to start the year and super small sample size Anderson talked in spring training about how he had worked a lot on staying back. I thought that would show through in helping in breaking stuff, but...not really. Offspeed stuff however...he's like destroying. Last year Tim Anderson saw 7.5% of his pitches as off-speed pitches (changeup, splitter, fork, screwball). He whiffed on 34% of his swings, and when it came on two strikes, he struck out 32% of the time. Both of these were comparable to his results with sliders. This year? Tim has seen 18 offspeed pitches so far, and he hasn't missed any of them that he's swung at. His 90.5 exit velocity is the highest for any of EVs across pitches during his career. In 8 PAs he's had 5 hits, 2 doubles and a home run. So that's nice. On fastballs its a similar story but less successful. He is making more contact against them (16.5% whiff rate compared to 21.5% last year), and hitting them harder (89.2 vs 87 in 2018). The regression is easy to see on sliders. He has not hit them hard, and has not hit them in the air, but has a .381 BA / .581 slugging with them this year. He swings and misses against them more often. And most weird! His launch angles have changed for the offspeed/breaking pitches. Where they were pretty typically 10/11/10, they are now 9/2/3. He is hitting worm burners on non-fastballs, but at least with changeups he's hitting the crap out of them. Tim anderson! More contact, more barrels, less launch angle. Gonna be fun to see what happens! https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/tim-anderson-641313?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

I bet he ends up on the Rangers.

We have long been linked to him. I'd dfa him for McCann personally.

He's a different player at the plate compared to last year. I like the stat breakdown, and it shows why we're seeing him be more successful. I've always loved his attitude, and now he's playing to back up that attitude.

If point guard is our weakness, well, the likely #2 pick would fill that role quite well. Not much need to look at the trade or FA market if you wound up moving up a little, and the Bulls have a 25% shot at that pick or better.

Narvaez sucks. The front office deserved/deserves every ounce of criticism and mocking for their mishandling of the Machado/Harper situations, HOWEVER, the outrage over the backup catcher position since this past offseason is ridiculous.

Rutherford was a top 50 prospect..

Rutherford has had a string of 35 bad PA's. Not going to dump on him yet. The interesting issue is that with Adolfo/Rutherford/Gonzalez all struggling and Basabe soon returning from injury, the Sox don't really have a spot for Robert at BHam and that's completely disregarding Booker who I am sure the Sox would like to play. If I am the Sox I probably pull up Booker to AAA now as he's 25. From there, you either have to hope Basabe hits the ground running and you can promote him right away or Luis Gonzalez has the maturity to handle basically skipping AA.

Believe me, I don't want the FO to approach next year as another tank year, but it's funny how after a win they're going to win 88 games next year and after a loss they won't win 60 this year.

Quality in what way? Kahnle had an ERA near 7 last year, Todd Frazier had a WAR of 1.5. Robertson was quality but there was no surplus value there given his contract. They got a top 100 prospect for two guys who arent good. Also, its April 16th so it's absolutely comical to draw any conclusions on bats or worry about any starts. They'll hit.

As a Catholic, that picture of the crucifix still standing inside the cathedral is powerful.

No reason why we shouldn't win 88 to 94 games next year. We play in a shit division. We should acquire a TOR arm somehow and would have Rodon, Acquistion, Kopech, Cease, whichever of Gio and Lopez that doesn't bust. We can sign a few bullpen arms and a guy who can actually DH. Call up Magical and Robert in mid April and find a decent stop gap right fielder which always seems to be available. That team should win you at least 86 with our schedule.

The new information that arrived later in the offseason was the White Sox crying that they were still poor and couldn't afford to compete with big market teams like the Padres. That should have refocused everyone on the $44 million they wasted. That's the basic budgeting mistake. That's complaining publicly about how they're being foreclosed on for not paying their mortgage while standing in line at Starbucks for their 3rd $5 coffee of the day. One of those was more important than the other, and the White Sox decided it was the fancy coffees.

He's clearly waiting for Avengers Endgame before he powers back up. Palk will smash again! (i hope!)

Good morning , great reading the thread when the game is over and we win ? . Sounds like Timmy had a great game and nice to see Beef bashing it out , oh , is Palka holding the bat the right way round

Won't be too long That being said, I'd rather see Caitlin Jenner start than Ervin Santana here ever again

I do. Not in the playoffs next year but the start of being a competitive team. The additions of kopech and cease alone will change the team. However, my point was that they think that is the beginning of the competitive run.

Great comeback! I’m hopeful that we might see a good stretch of baseball coming up from the Sox, given the opponents...

For the love of god he’s had two bad weeks. Please step back from the edge. He hit 300 last season in high a and is young for the league.

Yes, because the Sox gave up so much.

So is Alonso having bad BABIP luck or is he actually bad so far?

I said all offseason when people were freaking out like little school girls at the prospect of getting Harper and/or Machado that this team isn't any good. That we need to have a foundation before we worry about choosing what type of flooring to buy. That stance remains unchanged the number one problem with this franchise is not an inability to spend money it's an inability to judge and develop talent at the minor league level. If anything the one saving grace and what gives us the best chance is moving forward is we don't have a ton of big money contracts on the roster. Whomever comes in afterwards is free to execute their own vision on their timetable. I don't care how much money the owner makes in the nearterm we are all aware this is at best a mid market team and in order for the Whitesox to be successful we need to have numerous guys on their pre-FA contracts play well. Once that happens then lets worry if the Chisox/Jerry aren't spending but until then I don't want Hahn or KW to burden the next regime with a bunch of longterm deals so he can win a bunch of meaningless games in lost seasons

Cringe x100

Woof. You must think that's quite the zinger given your repeated use of it. I guess when you can't speak on the topic at hand you gotta keep it personal. Stay classy s2k5.

The AL Central is the Sox saving grace. It probably is the only division in baseball where a team that doesn't spend huge money has at least a shot of sustained winning.

If Howard wasnt traded, it was entirely possible he got cut before the season started. It was a bad fit from day one. The Bears got a draft pick, Howard found a team that wanted him, everyone is happy. Until Howard runs for 200 against the Bears this year. #revengegame

There's more to this trade than trading for a closer with two years of control. I think Hahn is betting he could get more for Colome next July than he would for Narvaez. Hahn was able to get something for Soria when most of the baseball world didn't think Soria was worth much. If the Sox can help Colome the way they helped Soria, we're going to like the trade package Colome brings back next July.

well this didnt age well