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How many times a day do you think you bring this up?

Oh man, I had almost forgotten about the trade until you dropped this link.

Sox are just being extra cautious. Robert hit multiple balls over the CF wall in BP tonight. Should be back this weekend.

Ha! If Soxtalk had this power, it would definitely be used as something that is negative for the Sox. Haha.

Perhaps the training staff and coaching is better in Charlotte. Best leave him down there.

You know, there is a thread about him that exists already on the 1st page.

We get it that the trade makes you mad. We all know. Time to move past it and stop dragging down conversation

So who is the talent evaluator who makes the final call on who we acquire? I know in the case of Machado/Harper that JR is the final call. Everyone agrees that both players have pluses. The disagreement comes in when we discuss how high to go in salary negotiation. Does RH get a scouting report on Alonzo and say we'll give him 9 mill and an option or is Kenny & JR in on it. How about when it's only 4 mil for Santana. Someone must be the talent evaluator and that person isn't very good sometimes. Neither RH or JR are baseball skills evaluators. Just like most of us... they watch lots of games and have their opinions. Someone is being paid to be that baseball evaluating professional. If it's Kenny I would like to know. Someone has to have looked at Nova, Santana and Alonzo and decided we were getting good value for the money. If what they are really doing is group think then the group needs to be held accountable.

$13.4 million dollars turned into fire kindling in one offseason. No team will even take on their money, much less give up a lottery ticket prospect for them. Rick has got to freaking go.

Is there a reasonable excuse for keeping Cease at AAA at this point? It's only been 3 starts at Charlotte, but I don't see any reason why he should be wasting his innings on lesser talent when his performance has remained pretty consistent over the last 1.5-2 years. If the whole point of this rebuild is to have a contention window that begins in 2020, shouldn't he be up here taking his lumps now so that the Sox hit the ground running in April next year? The Sox really need to stop wasting innings on vets that are clearly cooked and start seeing what they have in their system.

https://streamable.com/n1brp?fbclid=IwAR1oabBGQe46-c2hu031htT7Azx7_D1tEgTCNNkCRcZgaMBugMhe6rpmoko Raiders fans reacting to the pick is gold.

I think Bryce Bush is starting to figure it out.

Cubs won the trade

I blame SoxTalk's "Argument against bringing Cease up" thread

As a Missouri fan, it's hard with Lock. He is a tremendous person. He grew a lot over 4 years. But he would have phases of maddening inaccuracy especially throwing across the middle. But he had some idiotic schemes and poor talent, and sometimes put together some epic games. I feel better about him than Gabbert, but the inaccuracy is a major red flag.

Definitely possible. Grandal + Castellanos + Cole would be pretty neat, but it'll never happen. C - Grandal, 3B - Moncada, SS - Anderson, 2B - Yolmer, 1B - Abreu (resigned cheap for 2 years), LF - Eloy, CF - Leury, RF - Castellanos, DH - Cheap Vet Eventually trade out Madrigal for Yolmer, Robert for Leury, shift Castellanos to DH / 1B when the first of Basabe/Adolfo/Rutherford/Gonzalez are ready. Get Collins into DH/1B/ backup C mix. Eventually sport a lineup of: C - Grandal 1B / DH - Castellanos / Collins 2B: Madrigal SS: Anderson 3B: Moncada LF: Eloy CF: Robert RF: Best of Basabe/Adolfo/Rutherford/Gonzalez Rotation: Cole, Rodon, Kopech, Cease, Gio/Lopez Plenty of options to fill out a pen. There is still a path to having a very nice (and inexpensive) ballclub by 2021, but who knows if we'll see it come to fruition.

The White Sox are dumb, They aren't THAT dumb.

I always thought Soxtalk needed two threads with the same name. Not confusing at all.

Yeah, whenever he gets mentioned its mostly that 1) He's a lottery ticket (which is still true - he just happened to be the winning ticket) 2) Why are we giving up anything other than Erik Johnson? We had basically 0 insight into Tatis back then. The only reason people disliked it was because it was acquiring James Shields, who we all basically hated. I still think SoxTalk basically willed Tatis the super prospect into being.

And if you look at the soxtalk thread from 2016, it seems like nobody was concerned about giving up Tatis, even though they all knew he would be the #1 prospect in all of baseball. ?

Competing in 2020 seems like a pipedream at this point unless the Sox go crazy and spend a bunch in FA. 2020 is likely another tanking year. Cease won't be up till late July/Early August.

I was under the impression that they were holding back the innings now to avoid having to shut him down early.

Hey now, cutting really crappy veteran signings one month after learning they are the now some of the worst players in baseball has been a pretty big Hahn era staple.

Bringing Cease up means you are bouncing either Nova or Santana from the rotation. Knowing the Sox way of doing business, that ain't happening.

https://www.theringer.com/2019/4/25/18515037/los-angeles-clippers-kevin-durant-kawhi-leonard-doc-rivers In the world where the bulls actually held their FO accountable, I would be throwing gobs of money at the clippers front office to come here. I thought they wasted last draft in not trading into the top ten, but they've built the perfect level-up team. Loads of assets, loads of cap space, located in Los Angeles. And man, Doc Rivers went from a guy that seemed like a old school washed up coach to this. What a freakin year for him.

Some rando on twitter last night said he heard that his hand is broken and he will be out until August, but a couple FS Sox guys quoted him saying that is BS.

Reacting to 28 at-bat samples is definitely something we should do.

Ron, thank you.

He looks black in his Twitter pic

I'm not the least bit ashamed to admit it moved a little while watching the Jr video. God I hope the O's and Royals out dumb themselves and pass on him.

If he had a broken hand they would have known that same day or next after x-rays.

Jon Jay was always a waste of $4 million but that doesn't make Tilson any better. Have you even seen Jon Jay yet? Hahn probably realizes he burned another $4 million. Right now, I'm happy with seeing Cordell get a shot. Tilson can't hit and his defense and speed were overrated to begin with. Besides, he would likely get injured in a few games.

Vaughn is listed at 6’0”, but that’s a real stretch. I’d like to comp him to the 5’10” Steve Garvey who compiled 2600 hits and 4 Gold Gloves at 1st base. Cub killer too.

Meh. I'll take Engel's D over Tilson. At least Engel is good at something.

At this point in time one would have to say the Rick Hahn era has been nothing short of a major failure.

Hey Tilson is off to a good start! Soxtalk "Madrigal sucks." "Nah, he comps to this HOF guy" "Don't give me that nonsense, baseball doesn't work like that anymore Madrigal sucks." Poor Tilson. Even overlooked in the Tilson thread.

Similarly, I don't like high functioning autism being called "Asperger's" because if you knew who Hans Asperger was you'd puke. He studied children in Hitler Youth and executed those who now bear his name in label in Hitler's eugenics movement. It has an incredibly negative connotation to me.

I am now a Blazers fan.

Avisail Garcia in RF for $3.5 million dollars guaranteed (less than the guaranteed amount that Hahn signed the imaginary Jon Jay for), Fernando Tatis Jr. at 3B, and Yoan Moncada at 2B, and the Sox could have a pretty good lineup right now. Rick Hahn is usually his own worst enemy when it comes to free agency, his desire for dumpster diving for position players, and acquiring washed-up starting pitchers with already declining velocity, apparently thinking that Cooper can work some sort of magic that he hasn’t for awhile. I do think Tim Anderson will cool down a bit eventually but just think — the Sox could have had one more potential All Star to go with Moncada, Eloy, and Anderson. Imagine having 4 cornerstones on this team with Luis Robert coming. You could literally burn $45 million dollars in a fire pit and do almost as well as Rick Hahn’s offseason. At least you would be warm for awhile instead of watching garbage baseball.

Avi just killed a homer to tie it in the 9th. 447 but likely much longer