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Lol. Coming from the guy that spends a good chunk of his free time on a forum negatively rambling on and and on and on about about mostly nothing. Comical. Its always amazed me the amount of time you spend doing something that clearly causes you so much angst. Its unfortunate, because you definitely have baseball knowledge to share, but instead chose to consistently bring down the quality of this board with your rambling non-sense and pure negativity. Its a shame.

Avi lol. Sox fans have lost their minds.

How do you not have Tim Anderson or Moncada as internal options for RF?

Glad you are not advocating for this. At some point the Sox have to go with what they've got and try to win win win. Sox fans are learning these draft picks are nice enough and the two major trades look very good, but still there's so much front office work to be done. If the Sox want to ever reach .500 again they are gonna have to have a much larger payroll. Time to spend and spend big time. not to trade guys like Yoan.

This thought has always crossed my mind, and I saw another poster talking about it recently. The White Sox are known to be a stingy organization. The idea of the rebuild was acquire cheap, young talent through draft picks and trades. That talent gets supplemented with established players who will cost more. In typical rebuilds, you trade your high end players for a bunch of high end prospects (Sale, Quitana, Eaton, etc.). As far as established veterans who have been traded, these guys had just about the best contracts out there. Cheap and under control for a while. Trading a player like Yoan would result in an unprecedented return. You could absolutely stack the system and once again have one of the best, WHILE being loaded with young talent in the majors. Now, I'm not advocating trading Yoan, but the 2nd generation rebuild might be the true way to develop a multiple championship dynasty. Interesting to think about.

Not exact because they appeared more than just in RF and 5th starter, but my calculations were -3.1 fWAR for RF and -2.1 fWAR for 5th starter. In way you spice it, it’s awful. Replacing with 2 WAR players is at least a 9 fWAR swing.

It is not completely insane to think that Kopech, Robert, Madrigal along with a year of development from our young core players could be the difference between and a 70 and 80 win team. Poppy is definitely on the overly optimistic side, but if you’re replacing our turnstile in RF and 5th SP with Robert and Kopech, that is an enormous upgrade alone. Madrigal over Yolmer should be a slight upgrade at worst, and a significant one if Madrigal thrives right away. Plus we dealt with all the injuries with season to our core players in Eloy, Tim and Yoan. If the Sox can stay healthier in 2020, they could have the makings of a .500 ball club with no FA additions besides resigning Abreu. Also I would guess that Dunning does appear in the big leagues at some point in 2020, and it’s not very fair to completely write off Hamilton. His 2019 was completely cursed with a car accident and getting hit in the face with an errant foul liner. Very little had to do with structural damage or pain from pitching. I would guess he’s definitely in the Sox short term plans. It all just comes down to how they decide to fill out the roster and deploy the dollars. Thankfully, we are finally starting to get close to the beginning of the answers. Should be a fun offseason - fingers crossed the Sox do the right thing!

I listened to the first half of the Sox podcast and I think it was Kamka’s prediction. I loved every second of it. Happy to go down with the ship. Full steam ahead to idiot bliss!

I’m starting to think the Sox are going huge. Cole, JDM, Moose, Grandal plus bullpen. the time is now while all the rooks are cheap.

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe that their might actually be a "Rebuild 2.0" where some major young pieces get traded. The right field situation looks bleak an I just can't see JR paying for JD Martinez or Yasmani Grandal.

How quickly people forget. Did you see how far that thing went? BOMB. CLUTCH BOMB at that.

That entire organization is run by a bunch of freakin scumbags. I've never rooted harder against a team in my entire life.

I am leaning toward a 1 year option at RF, see what you have internally, and spend big money on it in 2020 where more attractive options are available. Heck, even the pending free agents in 2020, Conforto, Marte, Buxton look like good trade options.

It is truly amazing to me that there are people that think bringing Avi Garcia back would actually be a solution.

They probably didn't need your services anymore after they closed the 'Buster ... since your full time job was basically suspending me for being right all the time.

So 500 PAs in platooning him? Seems pretty regular. I mean, granted I didn't watch a ton of Rays games, but that seems like everyday ABs. Onlly 3 guys on the Rays had more. And he had exactly 2 bWAR... but that is splitting hairs. Is this also conceding that the Sox aren't smart enough to platoon him? And yeah, 6.2 WAR for his career, but 6.1 of it over his last 3 seasons. He isn't perfect, and not the best player, but he is certainly an upgrade. That said, I don't think there is any chance it happens. Sorry, I guess I just wish I could be as smart as you are.

This is what I want as well. The FA's are so meh.

It was very disappointing when the Sox traded for Brett Myers too. It’s hard to root for scum. I wish the Sox had a policy going forward- any domestic abuse or PED suspensions while in the union, we’re not acquiring you. If it happens under our watch, we’ll deal with it on a case by case basis. But if it happens in a different uniform, you’re never going to be our problem.

I'm dismissing him because hes not good. The Ray's platooned him, playing him strictly when he was most likely to succeed - and he still didnt touch 2 WAR in over 500 AB's. In 5 big league seasons he has a 6.2 WAR.

I get that people don't like Avi, but the simple fact is that he is a major upgrade over what the Sox trotted out this season, and he is far from the worst option available. He also just played a pretty significant role on a playoff team. While he isn't a perfect player, he hit 25 2B and 20 HR last year with an OPS just about .800. If you are dismissing that guy because of a previous bias, that is foolish. By both bWAR and fWAR, Avi was about a 2 WAR player last season. Are you trying to tell me the Sox don't have room for that? I'd love to hear the explanation.

Yeah, there's literally about 10 other ideas that are better.

It's gonna be a long off season.

So I really hate to be a stereotypical meatball Chicago fan who is always talking about the backup QB but Chase Daniel, while a statue in the pocket who will never be great, does not simply leave wide open receivers standing around and it's really time to seriously consider handing the reins over to him. I would not have said this even a month ago. The offense with him is barely average, but the offense with Mitch is as bad as anything John Fox's teams ran out there.

So there's this meta-discussion happening and because I pay attention to which specific people in various places are saying things at certain times, I'm interpreting a lot of the more harsh criticism of Nagy being people low key making excuses for Trubisky. This is being couched in "Trubisky has to be better but Nagy's play calling..." or "yeah but Nagy isn't running the ball enough..." So while there are elements of truth in this it's irrelevant and these are people who are only recently, reluctantly admitting fault in Trubisky because they were apologists until this week. For all the shit Nagy takes for his play calling (7 run plays, ignoring Montgomery, letting Cohen become a non-factor, those things are completely warranted) the fact is the receivers ARE getting open (sometimes wide open!) and Trubisky either just doesn't see them or overthrows them by several yards. He stares down Robinson and never even looks at Gabriel - who is actually doing a great job and gets open often - or Miller or whichever running back is on a route. That isn't the running game, the offensive line, "Nagy's play calling" or anything else, Trubisky is specifically and directly accountable for that. If Nagy was doing anything more than he already is to help Trubisky he would have to throw the ball for him. Or Nagy does call a run in the form of an RPO but Trubisky will read P instead of R (Nagy has mentioned this while trying not to throw Trubisky under the bus) which makes the run-pass ratio worse than it already is. There is some blame to go around but not all of it can be shared.

I agree with the Avi talk. I'd rather sign Avi cheaply and use what you save on Ozuna on another piece.

All I know is I will definitely pee multiple times tomorrow, and both the a Dodgers & Yankees will have high payrolls next year...like they do every year.

They're going to pick up his option, no doubt.

Do the LaRoche's come along as part of a package deal, along with the Tattered Sale Jersey giveaway night?

Congrats Joe!

Your last paragraph is just flat out wrong. Only like 2 or 3 teams had Mahomes as #1. The rest of the teams all had Mitch/Watson #1/2 in one order or the other. It was absurd to watch college football and see what Watson did to Alabama and not think he was so much better... but NFL teams have no idea what they're looking for when evaluating a QB and overthink things. Almost no one had mahomes ahead of trubisky.