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Just want to say thank god we didn’t trade for Price

05' World Series MVP speaks.

Who cares about WAR? 19 starts last year. 12 of them quality. Only gave up more than 4 ERs twice, and only in his sole disaster outing of the year did he fail to pitch five innings. Dude will give us a decent chance to win every time he goes out. Dylan Covey gave us one QS in 12. We were pretty much finished in several of his starts before we even came to bat. He’s DONE. Ross Detwiler gave us two QS in 12. He’s DONE. Despaigne, Santana, and Banuelos gave us one QS in 14. There’s four QS in 38 games. And it’s not like they were just failing to reach the six inning mark to have QS; those five gave up four or more ER in 21 of their starts. They’re DONE. Keuchel eliminates all of them. And he’s reliable, unlike Ryu. Too many people on here think we need an ace. No- arguably, we already have one in Lucas. We now just need people to add to the potent but untested youth who will give us a chance to win and keep the uninteresting (for us fans) and disastrous (for our W-L) pitchers off the mound. Dallas and Gio do that just fine.

Makes no sense. After ripping Fegan for putting Yoan on the HOF ballot and this shit, I think it’s finally time to put Old Yeller down once and for all.

On the plus side, Collins just got more attractive as a player.

You’re a treat. I thought it was pretty clear in my post that the guy was not reliable. Maybe I should have just said that he’s not reliable. Oh wait... Only reason I posted it was because of WSD’s random message last night.

I know I'm going to get shit on for being negative, because everyone is excited that they don't have to watch Dylan Covey pitch all year, and I get that, but looking at this in full context, I hate all of it. Classic White Sox. Get the 6th best guy on the market for roughly $50M, call it a marquee signing because the guy used to be good. The guy had a 4.72 FIP last year. Wasn't even worth 1 WAR in 112 innings. He's a fourth starter with the upside to be a 3. THIS is what I was afraid of. "The money will be spent" means spending $15-20M on a handful of okay players. It's Melky Cabreras all over again. All the teams that actually get to the playoffs are developing their averageish players and buying the elite talent to truly supplement their core. Altogether now, the White have committed a bit over $60m next year to: 1. A good catcher to upgrade a spot where they already had a solid player, who may be overvalued because we aren't actually sure how to quantify pitch framing 2. A slightly above average 1B/DH 3. a SP with a near 5 FIP last year, worth just under 1.5 fWAR if you extrapolated to a full season. Steamer project 2.6 next year, mostly on past track record. 4. 34-year old Gio Gonzalez 5. a reclamation project RF who has failed for four seasons now. Meanwhile, the Yankees have committed $36M to Gerrit Cole, the best pitcher in baseball, who Steamer projects at 6 and half wins. The White Sox spent nearly TWICE as much on a bunch of useful spare parts. Having missed on the actual difference makers, the White Sox would have been better off just punting until next year, and letting their players continue to develop, to have another shot at a true difference maker in Betts or whatever. Except of course that they would never actually have a chance at Betts, because the ownership/front office is too afraid of long-term contracts to actually have a chance to win. Every successful team is investing heavily in player development and then being opportunistic with elite, big-time players. The White Sox won't play that game. Yeah, I know, if literally everything goes as good as it could go next year, the Sox could win 85-90 games. Everyone is healthy, everyone takes a step forward, no one regresses, etc. But, I'll put it this way: there are only two teams insisting on this strategy of spending inefficient FA money on 5 middle-of-the-road players instead of 2 elite ones -- and it's the White Sox and the Reds. That's your model. Basically the Pirates the last five years.

One of the best things about this deal is if I’m not mistaken the 40 man roster is back at 40 so I think it’s time to trim a little more fat off of that ?

Signing castellanos would be so fucking dumb

Also...can we use celebration GIFs now? Are we happy people again?

Tatis and Semien, just to cut down on 50 pct of the posts on here

Twins fans are ultra pissed on the Twins Subreddit. It's quite amusing.

I’d say cease

Well, it could’ve if Wheeler accepted.

"The money will be spent." Very close for that silliness to be put to rest, right?

This beats the Price craziness. We give up nothing here and pay less than we would have had we made that crazy trade scenario.

Hahn did it. I’m impressed. And a Boras client no less.

Lol WSD's source was right.

There are so many things wrong with this I can't count them...but f***, let's go with this one. In Eloy Jimenez's contract, 2025 and 2026 are option years. If we want to be that cheap, those years don't need to be paid.

All of this makes the miss on Wheeler that much harder to swallow. Why could they not have just said, here is a $10 million signing bonus in addition to contract. No need to re-litigate just needed to vent. Let’s see what happens by start of spring training. Merry Christmas everyone!

You sound like Mike North with that statement. And Grandal qualifies as mid tier/okay player? C'mon, you're better than that.

You would 100% not know the difference if there were robo umps making the calls. The robot would be a little voice in the home plate umpire's ear. The voice says strike, the ump calls strike. The end. No need to waste time with replay. Just get the call right by a robot the first time.

I don't know how to embed a tweet. Regardless, I'd like to think I may have had a little hand in getting this one done. Link

Yolmer’s “consistent” bat?

Even though EE is the trendy pick, I still would love a trade for JDM.

Hopefully both...if everyone hits their ceilings, good God

I just beg of everyone, don’t start any freaking threads saying Sox have too much pitching

Phil Rogers still has a press credential and covers baseball. Amazes me.

Phil Rogers gonna Phil Rogers.. why would Cease start in the minors?

Ben Zobrist is a guy I'd like to kick the tires on. Early season 2B holder for when Madrigal is ready. Good veteran with high OBP%. Then you can use him as the split guy with Mazara .

I think this is spot on. What has me still skeptical is Sox have failed so terribly with this tier so often, but if it finally plays out as it’s supposed to ...

I wouldn’t trade Collins for a reliever. His plate patience is sick and his triumphant return to AAA has me thinking his bat could be pretty good.

Wonderful terms. Signed a Boras guy. Garfein will be happy there's a rotation mentor. Anyone comparing Keuchel to Buehrle is ridiculous.

Hahn finally put his money where his mouth was. He missed out on Wheeler but made up for it. This is a legit offseason that the big boy teams have.

Thank God we should never see Dylan Covey start another game for the Sox. If he does, a disaster has occurred.

With all these moves, I’m starting to think they will add a legit bat / DH as well.

Good call boys!

He'll compliment the young fireballers in the rotation very well.

LET'S GOOOOO.

I think now we know FOR SURE that the Sox won’t get any of those pitchers. The Kinander kiss of death

Dump the farm to get a player that plays the same position as our current best player AND eats up some or all of the free agent money we would theoretically use to get pitching, which we DESPERATELY NEED. Why?

Dafuq?

Sox played near .500 ball before the ASB last season before injury and lack of depth caught up. And that was before any of the new additions. I too think they are aiming much higher than .500.

Look at that lineup. Envision what the pitching staff will look like after adding Ryu/Keuchel/Price and a top reliever or 2 this offseason. This is not a .500ish team. It has an excellent chance to win the division. Depending on how fast Madrigal & Robert acclimate to the ML game...might actually compete deep into playoffs.

Nick Punto and Lastings Milledge

Yonder Alonso and Jon Jay