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This is not anything that anybody should be talking about

But that's not what that graph is showing. People in sweden are not living life as normal as in your guinea pig dream. Despite no government shutdown orders, companies and people have still shut down their lives. Those stats aren't much different from nashville/atlanta with the exception of driving. So, yeah, re-open and you'll look like Sweden. A still-battered economy where people are still scared to go to restaurants, bars and their jobs, with more unnecessary death and still slow recovery.

If you cannot protect your nation's most vulnerable, then the system is broken entirely and needs to be fixed. The answer is not to send everyone back to work under the same conditions and pretend nothing happened. You have a president talking about not wanting to help Illinois and New York because they're democratic! What the fvck. Illinois and New York pay more money into the federal government than they receive back.. you know who doesnt? All the southern states trump loves. So trump threatens to not help and bailout the states that have been bailing out and subsidizing the southern states for generations. Thousands of people are dying a day and the president is attacking politicians and threatening not to help.... and 35% of the population is cheering him on as hundred thousand+ dead americans had their lives cut short. What a sad and embarrassing thing to see... I'm embarrassed for the selfish nature of so many people. I hope one day you're not a part of one of the groups whose lives have been deemed expendable.

Thanks! He’s tough as they come, he’s got that working in his favor. He’s already made it through getting hit by a car walking on a residential street in Plano about five years ago, and smoked cigarettes and pipe tobacco for sixty some years as well.

I'm glad I live near Mexico and still have my papers to work in Mexico. Countries like Vietnam, Mexico, Honduras will zoom past us as we become one of the poorest countries on earth in less than a year. At least I have a few guns here to help me.

I have to say Wilbon on these docs annoy the crap out of me. I know since ESPN produced it they had to shoehorn him in, but like, Wilbon was not a part of that era for anyone. He wasn't in Chicago, he wasn't a prominent national guy at the time. He's become the new Jim Belushi, and of course the one part where he could provide some value he gets completely wrong (him stating nine guys were against isaiah coming to the USA team). And frankly the chicago sportswriters would be more interesting there since the relationship with Isaiah was complicated where they were overwhelmingly on Jordan's/bulls side but also still gave him reverence for his chicago high school days. Anyway, I'm enjoying the doc a lot but am a bit disappointed that there really isn't much on the 98 season itself. That said the All star game footage was incredible.

Greg - I'll give you what my day looks like (and I will caveat that I'm a lucky family that in which both my wife & I have thus far maintained our jobs *knock on wood* ). I'll give a before & after. But let me just say that my personal day is nothing like what you describe above (and despite all the challenges I know damn well that I am very lucky to be in the situation we are in (and hopefully we can remain in this situation). Before Virus: - M:F = Wife = At work @ 6:00 AM - Gets off Around 4:30 & Goes to Pick Up Each of Our Kids; She is responsible for Dinner Mon-Thursday and kids homework etc (we prep over weekend, so largely we can reheat food that we had cooked in preperation); I get home for bed-time routine with our kids (most night...unless I have to work late in which case I'll work very late so I can be home @ reasonable time other nights) - M;F = Me = AM take kids to school (each go to seperate school); Get to work around 8:30 and am at work until 6:30-7 most nights; During my busy time (quarter-end / year end / plan & budget season), I have a couple nights each week that are much later; By and large lunch is at my desk (in between meetings) and/or eaten during a meeting; Nights I get home, spend time with kids (story time is my thing with the kids, talk to them about their day, and tuck them in to bed). If busy...get back and do a bit more work (if there is anything urgent...again...need to do because I have drop-off duties for kids). Weekend: Family time; Youth Sports / Other Activities / Hikes with family or just General Adventures (usually we get in quite a bit of physical activities, etc and than have relaxing dinners at home; maybe grab lunch out and get together with extended family) With Virus: - Both of us continue to work. The only thing that has changed is, we don't commute (which is great I might add). Instead, schooling our children (5 & 6 years old) has pivoted to our responsibility. This is on top of our normal commitments to work. My wife & I are still expected to do what needs to be done work wise and we both try our best to make sure we are delivering for our kids. Neither of us are school teachers, so are we perfect, no, but we do the best we can and basically this becomes a new focus for us during the day where we will prioritize time with them. We make sure to each dedicate time (when we aren't in meetings, etc) to just hanging out with them (and this has been truly fantastic - something we don't regularly get to do). But whatever we put in with the kids, we make up later on @ night as we still have our work responsibilities, which, have largely gotten more difficult (post COVID vs. pre COVID). More analysis, unique tech challenges, etc. We make sure we eat lunch & dinner as a family each night and get out on a nightly exercise too (really key for us - because being cooped up is hard); To extent we can...we also try to do during lunch. - Weekends aren't actually that much different (pre vs. post), other than youth sports are shot and instead we spend our own time playing outdoors, going on bike rides, just getting good outdoor time. And of course everything is spent with us as a family (vs. with friends), with exception that on Sundays, we still have them see their 2 cousins (shame me all you want - but we are both complying and it is a risk I'll take (*knock on wood*). I also (individually) go on a weekly run to the store, where I buy a weekly food supply (I bought a bunch of frozen meat & veggies when the initial pandemic hit and have just been buying weekly fresh food allotments that cover my weekly needs at this point; if things went south, I have a few weeks of frozen meats & veggies before having to switch to canned beans, pasta, etc). - Personally speaking - I've never been more tired because I'm working more hours (not less) and adding in schooling my kids (because virtual learning puts 95% of the work on the parent vs. the teacher (at least at my kids age - and everyone I've talked to with kids in similar ages have had the same views). Good news is my kids emotionally are 110% okay (other than being scared by the fact that my wife & I are just not nearly as effective to trained professionals (& not as patient) when it comes to teaching various curriculum). - Spending Wise - I am spending less money now vs. before because we eat in 85-90% of the time (w/2 takeout/pickup meals a week (+ an iced coffee on the weekend); we pick local restaurants we like and make sure we order from them to support them and than have been tipping more to try and do our part (since we are lucky to maintain our jobs). We'll do that as long as we can continue to do so (and again...very much frequenting the places we like best).

Maybe its time for another new deal, where we work together to make sure that even in times of crisis everyone can eat, get medical treatment and have a minimum quality of life. We can do it, we just have to prioritize. In the last few months people are starting to realize that the people who work at the grocery store, who work at the factory are important, maybe more important than the millionaires who are making money on stocks and dividends. When something bad happens you should use it as an opportunity to improve.

Alright Illinoisans, I’ve seen a lot of posts with people pissed off about this: Are people more pissed about “their rights” being trimmed, not having things to do or about their economic situations? I have seen lots of posts but no such solutions from those whining. Please keep in mind I am open to different ideas and approaches but am annoyed with whining without solutions on social media, even though the problem might be that social media is the platform.

Well that de-escalated quickly. Fuck.

Its all about the cash. https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/ousted-hhs-official-files-whistleblower-complaint-on-coronavirus-response-83050053767?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR2rJ-ozGluePDplxWD_fwyaPIObAX1eBtw7lrtyCDanTEhGRRv5KUhHico

I hope your uncle recovers quickly.

This actually highlights the false choice pretty well, accidentally. The biggest hotspots in the country right now are prisons and...meat processing/packing facilities. Forcing low-wage workers back to work in these conditions (while simulatneously giving their megacorp employers lots of money + legal immunity!) is causing these outbreaks to worsen, which means the plants have to throttle back or shut down because a huge percentage of their workforce is now sick, some probably dead. The kicker of course is that these workers almost definitely don't have health insurance, either, or still face 5-figure bills if they get hospitalized. And this process will repeat itself over and over and over again as we "open up the economy!" Because it's not a choice we can actually make right now. We can't just decide, "eh, a few hundred thousand dead people is worth it" because we won't be getting a functional economy out of that trade-off.

Lucky for us, both parties hate us!

Wow, this is a great news dump. I would love to bet anyone who is willing to bet that we will not be at zero deaths nationally in 10 days. Secondly, the Wisconsin Supreme Court is meeting and voting REMOTELY. If they really believe that there isn't a problem, get back in session and open up to the public.

Sorry, did you get the impression I said this was in any way OK? It's not. I was just discussing the way I think it is likely to happen. Iowa continues to be the prime example of what happens next in rural America. It will be ugly.

The dumbest thing about this is it seems Trumps ridiculous thought about mainlining Lysol is going to cost tens of thousands of lives. It ended the task force press "briefings". I guess no one but Trump could run those. And the guidelines got dumped like they never existed as well.

Yeah, and Nikki Haley had the audacity to say states should be forced to go bankrupt. The former governor of SC.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2019/03/20/how-much-federal-funding-each-state-receives-government/39202299/

It's not a terrible result, at least right now, but we do have Fox News pushing not just "reopen the economy!" right now but also actively agitating against social distancing and mask-wearing. I fear the support will only get weaker across the board as this drags on with no real plan or leadership and active opposition to doing anything about it from one side.

See I actually took some hope from this poll, in terms of what it was not. It is not absolute D/R Blue/Red the way so many other issues are. I like that even among Republicans, who Trump nominally serves, less than half of them want most of those things to re-open right now. To me, this is encouraging, versus what we see in many other areas of politics right now.

Of course this is becoming a culture war issue like everything else these days. I wonder if other countries see similar political splits on pandemic response measures?

The only thing you have in life is your fucking life. This whole trade off for the greater good by saving the economy is fucking laughable. Money is not real. Economies are artificial. We are on this planet to do one thing - live. Why you think you, or any government entity, has the right to deprive someone of the most basic right and opportunity is laughable and embarrassing. The rich in this country has only gotten richer in this pandemic and you think people should make sacrifices to assure their wealth continues to grow at the trade of being human life? What a joke.

Hmm, shopping for one week requires about a shopping cart full of items. Some people do not want to go to the grocery store every week during a pandemic. What does shopping for two or three weeks look like? Some people might think that it looks like hording. Others will not assume this. Is shopping for two weeks at a time more expensive than shopping for one week at a time? Again, some people may think so. Others will figure out that the cost remains the same. Perhaps even less if stocking up on sale items. LMAO that nobody is talking about the economy Seriously? Do you only get your news at a barbershop?

I have nothing to add, I just wanted to read this again.

How is the Flowbee not on every infomercial right now?

Thanks for sharing. Thank u very much. I would say half jokingly (because I don't want to demean your terrific post at all) but if I wrote your post my haters on here would see one line and lambast me for letting the kids play with the cousins (how dare you!!). But I won't say that to you. Thank you for the post. I say this sincerely that your family is what's right with America. You are hard working and I hope and pray you get to keep your jobs as the economy worsens. Thank u and bless you and yours. You are great Americans IMO.

I knew this was bothering me when I read the first one, then I read the second one and... You want us in one post to "come together as a society" and in the other post "make a tradeoff and let lives be lost". I hope you can see how the people whose lives stand a good chance of being lost might not want to "come together to have their lives be lost". So whoever you blame...I'm not ok with my life being lost for a "happy medium".

In all honesty, it seems like one of those “well, I’m a lifetime Democrat/Republican but this election I’m finally so fed up with XYZ that I’m going to vote...” It must be 30% of the calls at C-Span these days. If you look at most articles from various publications that are being republished at other sites, there’s almost always a string of comments over the last 2-3 weeks exactly like this one: “Scare tactics to say the least probably motivated by political ideology. I live and have lived in a metro area of more than one million residents. I know of no one who has contracted coronavirus, I know of no friends or friends of friends who have the virus. A good friend is a doctor at a major hospital here and said there are only 8 patients hospitalized for covid19 in his hospital. Why hasn't the homeless population been more affected, why haven’t our grocery workers or mail carriers been more affected? Sure it spreads fast and can be deadly, but we are all in hyper panic as a result of news media reports and doomsayers? Life is a gamble, nothing for sure, take necessary precautions and live life.” Seems that 1/3rd the country won’t even believe this is actually real until a close friend or relative contracts it and is hospitalized.

Nothing really. Just don’t think this is going to clear up enough anytime soon for all parties to agree on a structure that actually has a chance of being completed successfully. Hope I’m wrong. Just think things are gonna get ugly as states open back up and we’re basically gonna be right back where we were in mid March.

Sir Charles was just an animal. Glad alot of the youngsters are watching this documentary. Draymond needs to go to a mental institution if he thinks he can even hold the same jock strap as Sir Charles.

After weeks of saying 60,000 deaths would be a great job, Trump has revised that number to 100,000, and they blocked Dr. Fauci from testifying to Congress. Trump is a genius but you can’t see his grades. Trump is the healthiest President ever, but you can’t see his medical records. Trump is a billionaire but you can’t see his taxes. Trump is innocent but you can’t subpoena the witnesses. The pandemic is totally under control but you can’t talk to Dr. Fauci.