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McCann and Grandal are going against Perez. One of them will probably end up winning it. I'm just here for when Grandal wins it and half of Soxtalk complains about it.

Grandal should be eliminated solely on the basis of that play where the ball went between his legs on that throw home because he wasn't paying attention.

Cool video of various MLB stars gushing over Abreu

To quote the words of Official White Sox Sponsor Beggar's Pizza he is "laying it on thick".

Again, you are just grasping at anything here. Tell me what TLR has to do with TV contracts in 2020? Its like you just want to be bitter and will use whatever you can to do it.

I would put $100 down that leury/Engel could get you 1 WAR.

I would be happy bringing back Palka for RF if it meant we were signing Bauer. Starting pitching is our absolute #1 need imho & Bauer is my numero uno target.

I wrote about the manager search for today and some of the actual candidates: https://www.southsidesox.com/2020/10/22/21524486/white-sox-job-a-desirable-destination-for-managerial-candidates

I totally disagree with your assessment in the above. They kept playing Mazara because they thought that he'd regain his stroke and he did show some improvement at the tail end of the season. As for hating Hahn, I love Hahn both the trades he makes and the signings that he has done of Latin players. You say that this is a league of "superteams". The Dodgers haven't won a World Series since the late 80's. Are the Yankees a "super-team"? I don't think so. Look at the Rays. Their entire salary equals just two of the Dodger's players and one is a pitcher on the wrong side of 30 years old. I am excited about the White Sox and what they are doing, including looking for a new manager and pitching coach. This was unexpected and I am pleased about that firing also.

If anyone really wants to appreciate bauer I highly recommend lindbergh & sawcheck's the mvp machine.

But in the playoffs - an extra TOR guy is better than filling your worst position. If they are a defensive blackhole that is a seperate issue, but Engel can cover that even if he can't hit. Just find him a platoon partner and spend on the TOR guy if you can. With this team - I'd spend all my money on pitching.

Especially when your value has never been higher

The Sox are gonna sign Bauer and hire TLR and they are going to get in a knife fight by the end of July. Bauer will try to bump off Tony with his drone.

I don't really think it's that drastic to be honest. Belicheck cheated and got caught multiple times and players never had problems going to New England to play because they had a good team and a good chance to win. Both Stroman and Bauer have tweeted that they will play for whoever, they don't have preference and have not ruled out any team.

On the other hand you are coming off as some kind of psychoanalytical debate team coach infatuated with your own intellect. Maybe you 2 should just stop but who will be the adult and not insist on the last word.

This is a really good list. I’d add Jack McKeon at #5 and call it a day.

Even if Mazara is better than you saw this year, are you willing to risk $6 million+ on him next year? He will make that if you offer him arbitration. If you are unwilling to offer him that money, then he is going to be a free agent on December 1. Thats' the determining factor - the arbitration deadline is the start of December, and if you offer him arbitration you are effectively guaranteeing him $6 million (you can cut him at the end of ST for $1.5 million). I think there's a decent chance he's better next year, but given what we saw this year, there's zero reason why I want to spend $9 million on a Mazara/Engel platoon. In a league where so many teams are going to be cost cutting, that's crazy money to spend on that weak of a platoon. Go spend that money on someone better, or let Mazara go to the FA market and try to sign him or someone else for a chance to earn $1 million in February.

I really don't think that they will have to spend a lot of money going forward in the next couple of years. They will not re-sign EE and probably not McCann along with a couple of others. But they do need to sign a top notch starting pitcher and not go cheap with it. A decent left handed starter would also be good at the back end of the rotation. They're set I think batting order wise with Vaughn joining the club. IF anything, barring injuries, their everyday line-up will be better than last years and that is an understatement really. If they hit on one of their young starting pitchers this team will be very special and the favorite going into next season to win the AL.

Thanks for reading man. I appreciate it

Mendick is the only clear winner for having his name snuck in.

Hats off to Eloy who snagged the inaugural Golden Net award. He did it his way.

Because you want a manager that can and will be with this team for what is supposed to be a long run. Tony will be 80 in four years dude! Think about that! The guys you listed off are 65(Bochy), 72 (Stone), 73 (Leyland) and 76 (larussa). You want a guy closer to their age than their grandparents, this team needs that.

@Yearnin' for Yermin

He had a 4.8 GPA in high school and did so many class units he graduated early as a Junior.

For those that worry about whether TLR will fit in with the younger players on this club - given the Sox talked to TA (and maybe a few others) prior to letting Ricky go, isn't it safe to assume RH and gang may ask a few of the leaders to way in as it relates to a potential managerial hire. I don't envision the players making the decision, more just getting a high level reaction if there were any concerns (may even get specific - i.e., would the team be okay with Hinch given what happened or if it was TLR, etc).

I am racking my brain, but I can't ever recall two players from the same team getting a nomination for the same position. That is wild.

Congratulations Pito!!! He makes me proud to be a Sox fan.

Seriously, congrats to them all. Especially happy for Mendick.

Yea, he should be afforded that choice if it’s truly his pick... and knowing of him, wouldn’t be surprised if he went that route and gave the “position” of pitching coach to a doctor from an Ivy League school. ?

Heck, replacing him would probably have won at least 2 more games that last week of the season....and most likely would have gotten us out of the wild card round this year.

Jack McKeon won a world series with the Marlins when he was 72. I'm not saying that I want LaRussa back but I think it is more important what players are brought in/back next year than who the manager is quite frankly.

Because the NBA is doing awful with a similar model. And then to attempt to credit this to a single ownership group in all of pro sports? Laughable. I mean these arguments might have been valid in 1989, but in 2020? The world has changed. Come join us. Let go of those feelings.

From your lips.... I'd rather Mgr Morse Code than Mgr Juice. I also like the idea of Brantley and Springer following him to Chicago.

Wonder if Steve throwing this out there is publicly declaring Sox going after him aggressively. I still feel that offering him the starter/pitching coach hybrid role would sway him to join any team. Build out a plan and a framework for a few year deal, and it transitions to full time pitching coach upon career end. I doubt the sox would be willing to commit to that type of contract (still has years left of starting)...but any team that does will surely have an edge with him.

With the shortened season, spotrac shows the league average payroll at $59 million. That means total player salary for 30 teams comes to $1.8 billion. When they didn’t have to pay staff to open ballparks, does that claimed loss make any sense? It still does not to me. The White Sox’s payroll this year was $43 million. If revenue was 0, that means everyone else would have to blow through $57 million, without having to pay any ballpark employees. Revenue of course is not zero, so all the other staff have to blow what, $100 million to believe that number?

For a guy who thinks it is a waste of time, he is sure spending a lot of time on it.

Its like people don't pay any attention to reality and instead waste their times in their feelings. MLB is looking at a 3 BILLION dollar loss this year. If you put the Sox somewhere in the middle of the revenue pack, which this team usually is, that puts about us shouldering about the average of a $100,000,000 loss in revenues. The Sox were valued at $1.65 billion, so we are talking about a loss equal to something like 6% of the franchises total valuation. Digging even deeper, Forbes pegged the Sox with operating revenue of $285 million in 2019. Let's be generous and say between what's on the book, and what is off of the books, they really bring in $500 million a year. 20% of that revenue is gone, with no promise that it will be back in 2020. So you expect things to go on like normal with a minimum of a 20% hit to the bottom line? Hahn already tipped his cards to this winter, essentially saying they might have to wait and see how things develop this winter. Nothing about this off season will be normal. It also won't just be the White Sox. We are seeing team after team with much healthier bottom lines than the White Sox talking about cutting dollars this winter. The Yankees are talking about cutting payroll. That franchise put up almost $700 million in revenue according to Forbes last year. Add their off of the books stuff, they are easily over a billion. Get past your hurt feelings, and look at the new reality.

Last thing I'll post on this. Here's a link from another source that speaks to his elite spin rates, his high GB rates, and his ability to regularly go 6IP in most of his outings. They express why I favor Stroman as part of a 2 FA SP solution this offseason better than I can: Trashstros fans post about Stroman

Yeah, and he hasn't been funny or original. Pretty hypocritical.

I think this is a fair topic. I think Stroman makes sense for the following reasons: 1. This link suggests that there will be some sort of budget, which will preclude spending on top targets in FA. 2. The system still has talent, but is shallow. When you look at it, of the top 10 there will be a lot of graduations, leaving scant reserves from which to trade to improve the 26 man roster. [Seriously, it'll be Kopech, a handful of former prep SPs, and Adolfo atop the prospect lists, once Vaughn arrives here next season.] 3. This guy sucked this year. I mean, he really, really really sucked. Seriously, he sucked out loud at baseball this season. He had the worst BB/9 among SPs in MLB. In a competitive window, this team can't count on him, until he can get his shit sorted. He needs to start 2021 in Charlotte or Schaumburg, and fvkcing get his BB/9 down to a level that won't make you dry heave. 4. This guy is yet another SP who is on his way to bustville. Maybe he's a reason for Coop no longer being here, but he sucked even more than the guy in #3. 5. Over 162, this team will not even make it to the post season if it attempts to start the season with the guys under #3 &#4 in the starting rotation. Back in 2000, the SOX failed to make the postseason, due to an unreliable #5 SP. As currently comprised [Giolito-Keuchel-Dunning-Cease-Lopez], there's no prayer of making the postseason in a regular 162 game grind. Even if the SOX added Bauer, he can't pitch 3 times a week, and you'd have to hold your heaves for Cease and Lopez starts. 6. The payroll will require creativity to maintain future flexibility, when you consider that RF and a closer and an additional BP arm or two are needs, in addition to the gaping holes in the starting rotation. This is particularly important, if this team wants to retain the ability to add throughout the competitive window, and not just blow the entire payroll load in one offseason. 7. This list of FA SPs shows one or two top-end options, and then a cavalcade of geezing geezers, and other vets with their share of questions. If they propose Odorizzi having a market value of $17MM, I'd much rather have Stroman at ~half of that or less, PLUS Q at ~half of that as well. 8. He's had a strong GB rate rate over the course of his career, which could help him provide a good amount of IP, and lessen the burden on the BP over 162. TL/DR: Bauer can help in a playoff series, but he can't pitch more than once every five days. Just to be able to GET TO the playoffs, and to enable Cease re-find the strike zone, I'd rather sign 2 veteran SPs [Stroman/Q], and only have to gamble on Dunning as the #5.

Espada

He really should pitch for Houston just because of his name.

I’d say 3-5 including La Russa. They can’t talk to Hinch, Geren or Quatraro yet though. All external. Pitching coach likely internal though.

Regarding the scandal-ridden former Astros manager ... Think of this as the real world. Let's say a company that is not desperate to hire people got the resume of AJ Hinch right now. Sorry but it would be tossed in the circular file or at best the "let's wait 10 years and see what comes of this person" file. There are so many candidates out there it's absolutely wrong to hire this guy who is tied to a severe scandal in baseball. Sox will go from the loveable young-uns to the bad guys in the eyes of the baseball world. You know how many Astros got thrown at this year even with no fans in stands?? I don't understand how ANYBODY could support Jerry paying Hinch at this time in history. My choices, with the realization Oz has no chance cause of his mouth: Tony baby No. 1 (Hall of Famer). 2.) Bochy strong second (no brainer). 3. Steve Stone (don't laugh, though I'd miss him on MLB broadcasts). 4. Jim Leyland (if healthy). Just my takes. I don't want Alex Cora or AJP. AJP has no experience. But it would be a White Sox move. p.s. You know how bad that Astros scandal was? Fathom could slug a double if he knew what PITCH WAS COMING for gosh sakes. Maybe Caulfield as well!!

“Shame on you” is funny. They aren’t swearing or calling them names. He didn’t say they are bad people. Shame on you is just a funny way of heckling them in my opinion.

Do Sam Fuld's boys not quit?

Don't play the Twitter game if you're sensitive and not wanting to get hurt. And what's odd here, I don't think this woman is even bothered or hurt by what Bauer responded. At least I haven't seen it. If so, she'd probably delete her tweet and even take down her account.

This is one of the things that really bothers me about Bauer.