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I think it's just a matter of teams not having money to give him. He was planning on signing for real money. Nobody really has it available. He'd be better off playing 3 years in Japan and signing a big league deal at 25 honestly. Also, teams aren't allowed to trade for space during the next two periods. Some clubs are really hurt by this because they're overcommitted. San Diego for example has had to renege on a few offers because they won't have the money.

I wrote about the latest international prospect to defect from Cuba and how it relates to the White Sox: https://www.futuresox.com/2020/10/26/white-sox-reportedly-interested-in-16-year-old-cuban-of-luis-pino/

Since my RF thread has been destroyed by endless Mazara talk, figured I mention in here that Steve Adams of MLBtraderumors has the Sox as his pick to land Springer.

The Sox are going to spend what they are going to spend. Jerry isn’t going to tell Hahn the payroll is $180M with La Russa, but only $130M with Hinch. That’s just completely nonsensical.

Why should I want to be friends with somebody who thinks I deserve fewer rights than they do? Sounds like a bad friend to me

Something I have been hinting at, but am going to just flat out say now... If you have to actively disqualify half of baseball and entire seasons of baseball to try to argue that someone is a good player, you aren't really proving that they are a good player. The National League is still major league baseball, and what they do, does count. It also doesn't help to disqualify one guys worst season, but not anyone else's. The numbers have been posted over and over again, and no matter how you move the goalposts around, even if you try to isolate down to just a single counting stat, Nomar Mazara has not been a "good" or even average RF. It just isn't true. None of what you have said actually proves out. o matter how many times you wrongly repeat it, it won't be true.

I guess the question you have to ask yourself is if you really want to be friends with someone that supports and admires a man that makes fun of disabled people, brags about walking into dressing rooms full of underage girls, thinks that nazis are "very fine people" and makes fun of people that wear masks during a national pandemic just to name a few things. I would hope that I do a better job of picking friends. I have people on FB that support him but they are only "facebook friends". Nobody I really associate IRL. Honestly, there are a couple that I've only stayed friends with because it's sometimes fun countering all the stupid crap they post/believe.

You might be on to something here.

this is obnoxious

Let's be honest here. If you are worried about Hunter Biden and his foreign entanglements, there is no chance you can vote for the President then.

The bolded is the key. I am OK with someone saying that they want to bet on Nomar's potential at the right price. Granted that price is probably something like a million or two with no job promise coming into 2021, but that is an OK scenario for me. But if you are argument is that is a good player already? Nah. Can't do it. Nothing supports that as of today.

To recap: Nomar Mazara is a good RF No But his batting average is .275 It isn't But he hits a lot of homers Not particularly He plays good defense for a RF HIs dWAR is terrible But he gets lot of assists Leury Garcia had more in a partial season He hits a lot of homers if you only look at the years he didn't suck Still no He hits a lot of homers if you leave out his bad year, and eliminate half of the RFs in baseball Uh, still no But he had a good OPS one year, or maybe it was another year Uh, not if you compare him to other similar players

I wouldn't completely hate Vaughn for Woodruff or something, but I just am uneasy with the idea of trading such a polished and powerful hitter to open up ABs for James McCann, who could very easily revert to a league-average or worse hitter

And now, we return to discussing COVID.

Yes, the words I put in quotes were the exact words he said. The 2 "sides" he was talking about were protesters and neo-Nazis. I didn't even bring up the fact that he told the Proud Boys to stand back and stand by. Which they were very fired up about.

You have yet to post one single statistic that supports it. Even your narrowly nitpicked counting stats proved you wrong. 100% wrong.

First of all, I said the American league from the beginning as we began to argue. I wanted to argue apples to apples. One of the reasons is that the AL is a DH league and the NL is not. The NL happens to try and get more of its offensive production from its outfield positions than the AL does because the AL uses the DH for a lot of its power needs. The AL also has more older power hitters in it for that reason also which makes young power guys like Mazara a bit rare. You haven't proven anything that I've said as being false. Mazara is still in the top 25-33% of all major league right field power hitters. That quality makes him, to me an AVERAGE major league right fielder. YOu feel different? Fine. that is your opinion.

My contribution to this thread will be that Kamala Harris made a stop in the Charlotte Knights locker room.

Probably 2021 in the minors and up in 2022

I disagree. The next period doesn't start until January 2022. Colas is 22 years old already. Why would they want to wait? Just land Colas in this period whenever he gets freed up IMO.

But at the same time, how the fuck would you know? Seems to me that Stone would have access to much better info the matter than you.

This is what the White Sox have committed: Norge Vera RHP Cuba ($1.5 million) Victor Quezada 3B DR ($525K) Manual Guariman C Ven ($475K) Dario Barrero OF Ven ($350K) Adrian Gil RHP Ven ($250K) Gabriel Rodriguez OF DR ($100K) Antonio Jimenez OF ($90K) That's just over $3 million and the club has $5,398,300 total to spend.

Its just insane. Sox sign one of the best 2 catchers in the game to a very reasonable FA contract. He is the guy he always was and remains an unbelievably good fit for the future lineup. And half the fanbase wants to trade him to make space for a guy that is measurably worse player, a measurably worse fit, and a FA that will command a decent commitment this offseason. Makes zero sense whatsoever.

They are on the phone w Trevor Bauer as we speak that’s why ??

Methinks you may have missed some sarc....(falls asleep drunk at a stoplight).

You realize this would be a pretty big right? The owner installing his own manager and bypassing his GM and President?

You’re scaring me here. Are you actually saying that JR might hire TLR and then tell Hahn he can have his choice of pitching coach? I’ve been assuming it’s only a matter of time until we hire Hinch.

Worked in management? What in the world are you talking about? A GM that is being forced to hire the owner’s long-time buddy to manage his team clearly doesn’t have the proper influence or decision making authority to be successful and would likely quit. I don’t care what badass job you think you had that makes you feel otherwise, but you are wrong here. A manager who doesn’t get to hire their direct reports is only a manager in title. It’s really that simple. And when has Jerry ever forced a manager on one of his GMs? The only thing even remotely close was the Guillen situation and he ultimately sided with KW. For fuck’s sake, he let Hawk fire La Russa years ago and supported Krause at the expense of Jackson. I’m sure Jerry is involved in the decision-making process, but he’s not going to force his front office to hire certain people.

Deal.

If Rick Hahn is in that position and ownership flat out is ignoring him, he shouldn't resign because he's being ignored, he should be replaced and/or resign because their working relationship is that toxic. The idea that ownership is constantly overruling Rick Hahn and telling him to do things he adamantly refuses to do is nonsense. Hahn may not like it, but at the very least he's on board with it.

A lot you all have never worked in management, and it shows. Hahn may be A boss, but he isn't THE boss.

If Hahn was not allowed to hire his own manager he would probably quit. This Jerry is going to override the front office and force them hire La Russa is total bullshit. That is not how the dude operates. I’d wager large sums of money that Hinch will be the manger within 10 days after the World Series.

If the 1 or 5 or whatever percent chance of him breaking out comes true, I don’t care. I worry about the 95% chance of him not breaking out and us losing the first round of the playoffs again while needing offense. At least bring in someone decent.

Ratings tanked because the NBA insisted on being at the forefront of protesting and pissing off a majority of their fanbase, hence the awful ratings

OK Boomer

I can’t wait for the World Series to end so the new manager can be announced and free agency can start. It’s so boring with this dead period.

I really don’t want to kill Robert by putting bad outfielders on both sides of him. He already has to cover part of left field because of Eloy. Get a competent right fielder or stick with Mazara and Engel.

I listened to Garfiens Soxtalk podcast with their 3 FA Signings they want, they discussed potentially signing Jackie Bradley Jr for RF. I kind of like this idea. He would for sure take a 1 year deal. He would provide GREAT defense in RF and let's be honest we don't NEED huge production out of RF because they will be batting 8th! I'd rather trade defense since we have Eloy in LF. Robert and Bradley patrolling 4/5ths of our OF would be great. I think it takes more than 23M to get Bauer, but I think we should pay WHATEVER it takes, and even over pay if he would be willing to sign a 1 year deal. That way we have no long high contract on a pitcher and if he fails, it's not hurting our salary for 2022 and beyond. I would even go as far as 35M for 2021 and even put a team option of 35M for 2022. That way if he's great, we keep him and pay him a crazy salary and we have a chance to win the WS. No doubt in my mind if we just added Bauer, we would be favorites in the AL Central and potentially WS with our offense.

Ok I'm going to ride with The Hawk and General Custer to the Little Big Horn...it's a bright sunny day, I mean what could go wrong. The case for Mazara is he would fit in so perfectly for us if he could harness his potential. Left handed power hitting RF. If you squint a bit you can see 25 year old David Ortiz the hitter in Mazara...young players develop at different rates and Mazara was a highly thought of young player and has shown enough promise as a hitter in the majors from 21 to still have hope. His defense improved dramatically in 2020 (SSS). He won't cost a lot of money. He and Engel can make a nice platoon. Zips shows him as a 1 WAR player for 2021. We have money to spend elsewhere and if he doesn't pan out...maybe Engel does...or Rutherford, Lugo, Adolfo. 2020 was the year where we hoped one of our outfield prospects would leap forward but then Covid. We also hoped to see the true Mazara...but Covid. Most of the reasons to take a chance on Mazara in 2020 remain with us today and we can't say he's garbage based on 149 at bats in a weird year. The only thing that really changed is our contention window seems to have leapt forward and the idea of trotting out a bad position player seems wrong. Leury gives us stable mediocracy, Mazara gives us a range of potential outcomes including a nice upside. If you could get Benintendi for free would you try him? I'm not sure Mazara and Benintendi aren't the same guy....but I'm not sure they aren't just left handed hitting Avi Garcias. The largest point is...use scarce resources to try to get Bauer or the equivalent and hold off for a year hoping RF fixes itself. Alright I'm tying myself to an anthill and pouring honey on my eyes.

Explain again, Dr Poker, how the eight of hearts would be a better right fielder than Mazara. None is as smart as you but I'm working on my condescension game and its nice to learn at the foot of the master.

Kayleigh said we deserve to have a winner declared at the end of the election evening. Nov 4 and 5 could be very noisy before The Supremes pronounce Donald as President For Life.

Why are you guys arguing so much about a guy who probably won’t even be on the team next season?

Trading Grandal is a great signal to future free agents: "Don't sign here if you value loyalty."

I am going to be really upset if a McCann deal costs us in another need.

Come on man, give the man his due. Bauer found edgertronic cameras which were used for biology at the time. Driveline would be nothing without him. Simple stuff now like long toss was pretty controversial before him. Who knows if Giolito would have been as free to experiment in remaking his entire motion without what bauer's tinkering had proven. And also his 2018 was also very good.

I'm not exactly sure if you are spoofing me or are really this dumb. Card playing is random...there are 52 random outcomes (presuming you shuffle). Saying it is highly statistical (as opposed to lowly statistical???) just means you can make calculations on the probability of what the next card will be. Memorizing the cards played and a skill at bluffing does not make poker four dimensional chess. Still if you want to conflate your game of chance into some Einsteinian labyrinth...good on you. I laid out my arguments about Hahn and free agency in five detailed posts after the initial one that you commented on (by insulting me). If it is too troublesome for you to read so many words...I understand. I have no problem with you saying quantum physics is like darts, thoracic surgery is like marbles or building a winning sports franchise is like parchisi...this is a forum for arguments and all should be welcome no matter how crazy. But good sir...when you start calling people fluff ranters you have gone too far.

It means you're taking numerous long paragraphs to complete a thought that takes far less effort than that. The answer was simplistic because the question had a simple answer. And you merely contradicted what I said. You were called out for essentially saying that the difference between a stat guy and a non stat guy doesn't show itself on the field. That alone shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and that you probably don't actually pay attention to any actual statistics. Whataboutism (you still have failed to acknowledge the fact that you called someone a weenie, which is serving no purpose, whereas I use the word dense, which actually does mean something), moving the goalposts, anecdotal evidence, and the entire reason you're in the hot water you've been in this topic was because you started with burden of proof. Virtually all your arguments are wrapped in logical fallacies. Your inability to stay focused on one thing and jumping from topic to topic as soon as you get called out for something is very telling.

I haven't been to this forum for a long time and the first thread I read, I encounter this sat pissing contest. Name calling and nonsense. Knock it off guys. The White sox signed Mazarra to hit home runs and drive in runs. He was a dismal failure of a signing. He had a total of seven extra base hits in 42 games. He hit the same number of home runs Yolmer Sanchez hit in his 16 games. He should not and will not return.

Because no one cared about Gio Gonzalez. He signed here, and barely appeared so there was no real confusion, because essentially when it came to Gonzalez, there was nothign to talk about.

I think after Bauer, he's the best pitcher available in free agency. Strikeouts are great and all, but they aren't exactly efficient and aren't as great as home run suppression. Stroman keeps the ball on the ground. He has the lowest launch angle against of any pitcher in the majors, which keeps the ball in the park and induces double play balls. He's never allowed more than 0.9 hr/9 in any season. He's never had a FIP above 3.9. He's a bull dog on the mound, kind of a starter version of Colome. Put him together with a good defense and good offense he'd win a lot of games