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Digging deeper into this, I can't think of a guy on the Sox who I would rather see success for. From his incredible sacrifices to escape Cuba, to his dangers and perils he encountered along that trip, including eating paperwork to try to protect himself. The fights with the coyotes he had. Being away from his entire family, including wife, kids, and mom. Then fully embracing a strange town, team, and culture, and not only playing his best, but looking out for everyone he connected with. He could have easily said nothing and gotten traded out of Chicago during the rebuild, or even asked to leave with no one wondering why or holding it against him. Instead he begged to stay in Chicago, playing father and big brother to all of the kids who came before him. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that the Eloy extension, the Yoan extension, and the Robert signing and extension had Jose's fingerprints all over them. This dude might have had more to do with the long term success of our rebuild than the front office did. This year he knew how big of a year it would be, so he came to camp ready, lost a bunch of weight, and showed up to camp in MVP shape, and led by example. Even if he isn't a Hall of Famer one day, or the guy who puts up the biggest stats in Sox history, he will be an all-time favorite for me. I think the part that warmed my heart the most was seeing the same guys who had been dead silent for over a week after the TLR hire, just come out and gush at Jose getting this award. And it was players of all races and creeds to, and not just the Cubans or Latinos. I have no idea how people could have a problem with Jose Abreu. He is the perfect contrast for what the White Sox way should look like. He does everything right. He is a great teammate, has an incredible work ethic, and is willing to share that with everyone. Congrats to Pito!

The DUI should be the only straw

She worked in the Sox FO in the 90s

Just remember, third time being caught is not third time doing it. He's a legit, HOF type guy. It's ok for him.

That’s genius but way too forward thinking for our FO. They are more likely to “let the market come to them” and then miss out.

Honestly wouldn't care if he didn't like me. Plenty of people on the internet who don't and I'm an idiot who gives people reason to feel that way by my rhetoric online sometimes. I def think it's unfair unless you've met me in person, but it is what it is. That said the whole tired act of "barstool is racist and sexist" is so goddamn stupid. Ask the many people of color or our CEO, CMO and CFO if they think barstool is racist or sexist. Then on the flip side, google some of the horror stories of shit that has gone on ESPN. Nobody says a peep about them being racist or homophobic It just annoys me to no end. Fuck off

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Jesus fucking Christ man. You've managed to compare a DUI to slavery. You took this WAY too far.

Because everyone benefits when people are able to access health care without difficulty. People who have illnesses, esp chronic ones, can get treatment to avoid things getting worse, allowing them to stay in the workforce. People who have health concerns can afford to take risks like starting businesses because they’re not locked to jobs by the health coverage. People who think they are healthy are not ambushed by huge costs when something goes wrong. When a pandemic strikes, people don’t spread things because they’re scared to get treatment due to the cost. People don’t die if the flu because they’re scared of the treatment costs, which we see every year - keeping them as productive members of society. Huge amounts of money and time are spent verifying that people qualify for health care, or denying it when possible - that money is basically hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, lots of it taxpayer dollars (think of the last time you had to spend a day calling your insurance to deal with a bill, someone was paid hundreds of dollars to process whatever issue you had). Generally it improves everyone’s quality of life, it’s the right thing to do, and there’s a reason why our health care system is by far the most expensive in the world per person - because we don’t start with that fundamental premise.

Thanks for linking. Very emotional. I have family in Cuba, never seen my grandparents alive. It’s incredibly difficult to leave people you love with a strong chance you’ll never see them again. Jose hit his forehead at the end, very mixed emotions for him, bittersweet. Hope he can one day find peace and reunite with his parents and family.

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Having a parent who had multiple DUIs, including taking his own kids along for trips where he definitely didn't get busted while driving drunk with us? Fuck yes I would. He was an alcoholic who endangered people's lives for decades. I would have had zero problems with a company telling him that they couldn't responsibly employ him as a danger to everyone around him. He was an addict. The only time he wasn't drinking was when he couldn't afford to, so his not working for long periods of time was actually some of the times in his life he was most tolerable to be around. He wasn't nearly as aggressive, violent or abusive when he was sober. He was at his worst when he had a high paying job, expense account, and a company car. Again he could do whatever he wanted, and mostly did, but there is no obligation for someone to attach themselves to that trainwreck and enable it continue under their watch.

That is up to TLR and has absolutely nothing to do with him being a Mgr of a White Sox. PERIOD. TLR collecting checks from White Sox can be something as a Sox fan you don't like, but that isn't the driving force behind TLR choosing to get behind a wheel impaired or not. That choice is TLR and TLR's alone. Now if White Sox enable him and are pushing drinks his way and not supporting him to be in programs or whatever else, totally different story. Reality is - we can disagree with Sox choosing to hire TLR despite the recent DUI, but most of you already concluded TLR was a racist who wasn't going to change the game. I don't know how or why or where it came to those ways that so many people jumped to such extreme conclusions out of the gate - but they did. They took pocketed quotes to assume x, y or z and kept following the narrative that aligned to their opinion (not unusual - confirmation bias at its finest) and ignored lots of other data points...because they made up there mind. None of us actually know what TLR and JR said when this came out and how TLR said it. Did he go, Jerry I fell off the wagon a second time or third time or whatever it was back in February, since than I've been in a program and am 100% clean. JR could have said - that was the wrong decision and you can not make those choices but I appreciate the fact that you've been transparent and are in a program and point blank, there will be zero tolerance for any F-up's. No other chance. We are committing to helping you through the program and will ensure we partner to do that. The point is - none of us know. The Sox blew it and everything else - but everyone out here getting all pissy is spending a lot of time looking for confirmation bias. If it was your sister or brother or best friend who got their 2nd DUI. Would you be calling their employer and saying they should be fired from their job - or would you be there trying to help them get the problem fixed so they never had to deal with it again.

by the way I actually got a talk this week from an aerosol particle dispersion expert if you’d be interested in how much air is being exchanged from one person to another.

Based off of what Abreu said today, Tony is going nowhere. I’ve moved on from hoping he quits to now just following offseason transactions.

At least until Tony gets fired, yes.

Typically I would agree, but DUIs are pretty cut and dry, and the evidence points to him being above the limit and a jagoff.

I literally said TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER. The point is people ARE willing to make economic decisions that will hurt people, for pure reasons. This is a normal and common activity, and there is nothing wrong with it. False equating the burden being on people making the decisions, instead of people who are supporting illegal and immoral activities through their employments is the full issue here.

What does this mean? He submitted to a blood test via a warrant 3.5 hours after his DUI stop and he was still over the legal limit. Who are you to tell anyone how important an issue is to them; especially an issue causing 10,000 unnecessary deaths a year.

This made me laugh when I saw it last night. What didn't make me laugh was reading that south side sox article earlier in the thread. Whoever wrote that has no idea wtf he's talking about and is a total dickhead

Its likely not close to enough. But if there was a trade I'd give up Vaughn in, this would be it.

Why do we need to limit the message of "progressives" to defund the police though. I think if they stick to policies that actually help you as a worker that message will resonate with most even if they don't want to admit it. You want you healthcare? You want a livable wage? You want to build for the future? Back them up with policy and the democrats would actually have a message instead of their do nothing and claim the other side is bad. People are desperate and if dems sounds like repubs which they do quite frankly, just vote for the repub. I would.

Can I ask why id call my local government representative to complain about a team I follow hiring a drunk who loves to drive impaired? No idea how this thread has devolved to this point, but thats a weird turn.

What he did was already illegal? And gonna spitball this, maybe people feel there is a difference between "I want Tony Larussa to go to jail for a long time" and "I don't think the white sox should employ someone who has broken an important law more than once to one of the most sought after, public, and replaceable positions in their organization"

"Hello, Representative? I think we should make driving while intoxicated illegal!"

This is a real bad take. This has to do with his egotism and failure to realize he has a problem. We all knew he was a drunk, but another bad decision by him and ultimately Jerry has made this so much worse for the look of the Sox organization

Key word there is legit. But at least those guys didn’t continuously break the law. Tony breaks laws and is an awful person.

Actually quite the opposite. I'm not for a minimum wage, I'm for a livable wage, which is generally much higher. I'm picking the working class in this and you think I want to shit on people seeking minimum wage. Where the hell is that logic? I'm suggesting we punish the fuck out of Larussa without screwing over the guys working for a paycheck. You want to screw over the working guys in hopes it will punish JR and Tony. Whose fighting for regular workers?

We should at least look at the entire quote, which was... "At the same time, I'm really excited to have the chance to play for a manager like Tony La Russa. I think we have to wait to see how this goes and just wait. I can't really say much about it, but I'm excited to have a manager with the history that Tony has."

Ron!!

Alright Jose - now to add a World Series MVP to your trophy case this upcoming year!

I don't know if this is where we are dumping our Off-season plans, but here is mine... https://www.southsidesox.com/2020/11/12/21563416/joey-doughnuts-2020-2021-off-season-plan The long-story short is this.... In summary: - Fire La Russa, hire Fuld - Re-sign Colome (1yr/$6M) - Sign Springer (5yr/$115M) - Sign Quintana (2yr/$20M) - Sign Yates (1yr/$6M) - Acquire Woodruff for Cease, Mendick, Stiever, Adolfo - $141M payroll

Fucking truth.

And this is why the guilty rarely get punished. Some sacrifices have to be made to achieve the greater good. Sounds harsh but that is reality. You come across like the guy who shits on people that seek a livable minimum wage because "Everyone will raise prices!" When it's the people raising the prices you should be mad at, not the little guy trying to make ends meet.

“I really can’t say much about it” - how sad is it that this is what the Sox players will have to say for the next month https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/mvp-jose-abreu-praises-rick-renteria-excited-play-tony-la-russa

Democrats are horrendous at marketing. Defunding the police is actually a popular policy but it is the worst branding in history. And unrelated to your post, I’m getting very concerned the Republican Party, Trump and Fox News are doing irreparable damage to the country. Hard to see a way back from a huge amount of people legitimately believing crack pot conspiracy theories over actual news and a party pushing election fraud with zero basis whatsoever. Ideally that party would be burned to the ground and have a new Conservative party that is complete trash take it’s place.

That third year on the contract is really going to kill us.

MVP...check 5-6 more years of good production and hopefully adding some postseason success, Abreu could have a compelling Hall of Fame case when it’s all said and done.

Really solid idea to delay the transition teams to feed Trump's loser ego. It will only cost lives, nothing more. Well worth it.

I think I know someone who is gonna link this story back here in a few weeks

My thoughts exactly. Turning Cease into a major league starter and ReyLo into a usable arm in any form would be a huge boost.

Everyone was done with Gio as well. Lets see if this guy can do something with him. Reylos pitching style completely changed from the time he was with the Nats to our version of him. Lets De-Cooper him a bit and see if he is still poop. If he still sucks after working with Katz then sure jettison him to the 4th ring of hell.

The petty bullshit that is this thread never would have started if the sox hired cheaters cora or hinch and they blew a 0.09. This is petty bullshit from posters who were already against TLR.

As someone who has gotten one DUI (no one was hurt and I was pulled over for speeding and then arrested with alcohol on my breath), I would like to put my two cents here. I went through two stages of counseling, 6 months of hell financially and legally, and I realized through that process that I needed to reevaluate a lot of things. after doing so, I realized that I couldn’t do things the same way. It wasn’t the first time I had driven under the influence. After a lot of reflection, I ultimately made the decision that alcohol was not something I could make a judgment call of any kind after imbibing, so I have been sober since a few weeks after the event, about 3 and a half years. I feel like I was extraordinarily lucky to make that choice. While I went through my legal process and counseling process, I encountered a lot of individuals who could not make that choice, and were on DUI number 2, 3, 4. Some showed up to court or to class or therapy drunk. I have empathy for people who struggle with alcohol - it is socially accepted and loudly encouraged. Driving under the influence is not only tolerated, it is apologized for. Let me be clear: it’s absolutely unacceptable, and it shouldn’t happen- and we need to address it culturally. We haven’t yet. I’m not saying alcohol is bad at all. It isn’t. It’s simply dangerous. And it inhibits judgement. As an editorial comment, my experience with the process informed me that the system we have has little interest in saving lives. It’s easy to save lives - we require breathalyzers on all vehicles just like you mandate seatbelts. The cost is subsidized by the government. You train the public on how to use them, they do, people complain, but lives are saved. A few people are 15 minutes late to work because they forgot mouthwash is problematic. But - nobody dies. I find that troubling that the system doesn’t make that choice. The system is set up to be a reliable revenue generator. Business is great, by the way - hundreds were in the courtroom every time I was there. Spending thousands of dollars they can’t afford. No mechanism is set up to do anything more than punish them. Most importantly, TLR himself needs to address this problem in his life, because 2 DUIs is a chronic problem. He is in danger of putting his, and other lives, at risk. There are no doubt more instances he got away with. However, nothing will change if he is enabled here. That’s first and foremost. Moreover, the White Sox deserve more from the manager of a storied franchise. We deserve a first class manager who can give his full attention to one of 30 professional organizations at the very highest level in the world. TLR had a great career, but this is an unacceptable set of circumstances for the incoming manager of the White Sox. While dealing with the legal fallout from this, he will be distracted. While the media frenzies about this, the organization will be distracted. The players will have to now tolerate an utter circus while trying to focus on championship baseball - in a pandemic - and they will be distracted. We don’t have the luxury with the window we have to deal with this. my two cents.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 27, 2011 -> 07:19 PM) Nah, I don't like it. Brent's nickname around his friends seems to be B-Mo, but I am thinking we can do better. The official nickname giver has spoken.

Nah, I don't like it. Brent's nickname around his friends seems to be B-Mo, but I am thinking we can do better.