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It would be nice if the Sox just gave Bauer what he wants, keep the prospects, and win the World Series. That’s just me though.

Kopech is fine and it hasn't been "30 months". He worked up to and threw a completely dominant inning and touched 102mph/100mph/101mph just last March in a competitive spring start in AZ. If you don't believe me Passan just stated he's heard nothing but very good things about his work this winter. Kopech is good.

Which one of you changed Corbin Burnes to a White Sox player on Wikipedia?

Delete my account

Change front office to ownership and then sure

Yes it was.

Live look at the Sox hitting when Happ is pitching

We traded for Todd Ritchie when he was 30. Not sure how or why his name was brought up in the first place but it's a pretty awful comparison.

Agreed guys, White Sox have to keep that powder dry so they can also pass on more top level free agents next year.

We like, literally saw 60 major league innings of Burnes dominating MLB hitters en route to a cy young finish last year. We still don't know if Kopech can command his pitches or if his secondary stuff will locate well enough to be effective. He had like a month of showing that 2 years ago in AAA. And the response will be "he threw 101 so he's back". Back to what? He was never finished. He's got a great fastball. I hope it translates. It may very well not, no matter how alpha he is.

Dodgers fans:

Kopech's red flags are really piling up. He's coming off TJ surgery, he hasn't thrown a competitive pitch in 30 months, he opted out of last season for reasons (???) and he has a history of immature behavior that includes fighting with teammates and yet for some reason he's considered untradeable. I can only imagine the reactions if the Sox were looking to trade for a player with his recent history.

I really think it is more important to quit pretending like this wasn't as serious as it was, and that it instead was some sort of a harmless cosplay.

You forgot Moncada and Roberts.

I worked in the blue Jays front office in 2009. Harry Einbinder had an office to my left. Kevin Briand was across the hall. And, no joke, paul Beeston shared a wall on the right. At no point were the white Sox serious suitors for halladay and blue Jays scouts were bearish on beckham.

i love lamp

25 minutes without a post? I’m disappointed in you guys!

Vaughn plus Madrigal, Heuer, Kelley would be absolutely horrendous. Just take Richards and keep all the talent. Vaughn should be totally off limits

Agreed or just keep them for the second part of the window. Just because JR is unwilling to pay money and both he and TLR have no incentive to care about the long term doesn't mean we deserve to have our window slashed in half.

Unless we can get Burnes for a Madrigal based package, just sign Richards and keep the ammo for the deadline IMO.

Obviously I'm not him, but he has stated several times that the Sox aren't trading Kopech, Vaughn or Crochet.

You don't really have a choice with Eloy. He's unbelievably bad as a defender and if we keep trotting him out there in LF he's going to suffer injuries. Eloy is way too valuable as a hitter to keep this carousel of injuries going on.

Excellent

yeah that's it

Burnes is a really nice arm that I'd love to have. But c'mon. I don't want to trade away major pieces of the future. Something like Cease, Stiever, Micker and Sheets..OK. But that's not going to be enough. I'd guess I'd be OK with moving Kelly just because he's so far away. Zero interest in trading any of Kopech, Madrigal, Vaughn, Crochet or major building blocks from MLB club for Burnes. I'd rather just spend $ on FA SP.....

I feel like Brantley is going to have a Carlos Beltran like aging. His profile is good for aging as a bat.

Also according to fathom I’m allowed to keep drinking this rumor for another 30 hours

I'm still having a hard time processing why this is a thing. The only plausible explanations: 1. The Brewers are bearish on Burnes and are actively trying to sell high. If so, you'd think there would be legitimate league wide rumors that he is being shopped, which as far as I can tell there are not. 2. Burnes is attached to a salary dump? I've speculated in the Sox buying bad contracts in exchange for value the past 3 offseasons where we seemingly had money to burn and it has never come true. It makes me sick to think of how man more solid young players we could have accumulated if Jerry would have dumped another 20 million per year. 3. Someone in our front office is enamored with Burnes and if this goes down we are going to be absolutely disgusted with what we have to give up. 4. The Brewers are going to completely tear down their team and for some reason their first move is trading an inexpensive young starter. 5. The weirdest smokescreen in recent memory.

If you're just looking backwards you're never going to see it.

Hmmm, maybe that is because Burnes has pitched at all the last couple years. And Kopech had a devastating elbow injury he needs to recover from and hasn't pitched at all in over 2 years. Maybe at least, I could just be making stuff up.

If RH had one of his guys (Q) at the price he wanted (8 mil) and let him go, he better hit on whatever he is working on or look out. Announcing JA Happ at 8 million isn't going to met with friendly fire.

Cease and desist.

I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason.

So he's just going to fall off a cliff at 34? Could happen but I don't know that and neither do you. The contract puts him right around 25th or so in the league for total value which is pretty close to in line with where his value has been as a player for the last 6 years. People have had it set in their mind that some of these big names were going to get a lot less than they're worth because most teams don't want to spend money but the Springer deal is far from a bad one.

Nah, a few weeks from now he and his coworkers will be tweeting out about how Eaton for 1/8 was a much better value than Brantley or Springer

Garfien is going to be so envious of the Blue Jays offseason

Finally, this thread can be locked.

remember when you portrayed this as a polite disagreement and compared it to civil rights protests? lol Tex-posting is what happens when your brain defaults to Both-Sides in every possible circumstance and believe that the answer is always in the middle, no matter the circumstances.

I am President of a local scholarship found with about a million dollar endowment fund. I have done this for nearly 10 years in a few different terms. Most of the people who serve on the Board are teachers. There are none of them I would allow to teach my cat about personal finance. These people are incredibly smart in their fields of specialty, but that field does not include finance.

Burnes, for the record, was 21st in IP in the NL last year. He would have been 3rd on the Sox (just 4 innings fewer than Keuchel) . I think it is safe to say he was working a full time starters load last season.

You aren't dumping the farm system for a guy like Burnes to be a mix and match guy, and if he isn't a playoff pitcher, that is a real problem with this trade. A deal like this values him as a TOR, and it also loses the depth that would make up for him not being able to be that guy.

I'm a big fan of adding players to what we have that are all-star level, and not just "man if we just get 4.5 ERA out of them we'll be good". This is a tricky trade because it potentially swaps out part of existing talent, but I'm all in on the rumor. This guy is a stud next year and the years after. A rotation of Giolito, Burnes, Lynn, Keuchel, (remaining guy) is a group that will piss on the twins offense and help us win the division rather than not lose it. And he'd be around for years.

Answer would be sign Trevor Bauer but I doubt that will happen.

I really think it's important to stop claiming the coup was close to being successful. The FBI and later a team of Seals would have put a quick and easy end to this coup. The military wasn't going to take over the country to keep Trump in office. Saying they were close just gives them enthusiasm and peddles the same lies Trump has been spreading. They were close to committing additional murders, they were close to dozens of additional crimes, but they were not close to toppling our elected government and putting Trump in office.

Because we love a team with a cheap owner and it influences the way we think about payroll. It's not a bad contract if you're serious about winning.

I do Kopech + Cease + Madrigal for Burnes easy. Throw in either Rutherford or Kelley too if need be

My sweet Liam

He discusses this on Chuck's podcast; he even notes that he saw there was a new thread when he signed.