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Oh fuck please be true!?!!?!! Imagine if all these plus curveballs come back to life under Katz!!

They're obviously busting his balls, but I highly doubt Madrigal having a ton of confidence in himself rubs vets the wrong way. He's not showing anyone up with that comment and they all have a ton of confidence (hell, Eloy just said he thinks he's going to win MVP soon). Madrigal rubs you the wrong way, that's all.

LOL. I guarantee if they didn't like him they wouldn't have made those shirts. Dude's are having fun with it, you're 100 percent taking this the wrong way.

I’m permin’ for yermin!

You’ve undoubtedly had some awful posts on this site. I mean, some real memorable pieces of shit....but this one belongs in some sort of “Hall of Garbage” It’s has to be so exhausting going through life that angry, that angry, that hostile.....and you’re doing it over something that is a CHOICE OF ENTERTAINMENT. It’s not like we’re talking about the choices of our government or religion.....the pure venom spewed by you post after post and post.....making the effort to not only feel that way over something you’re supposed to enjoy, but to come to a message board to make sure everyone else knows you how feel...it’s quite something.

Almost as bad as the hate this one poster gives the reigning AL MVP.

*you're

The comment was obviously sarcastically made in the context of some obscene hazing ritual... but go ahead and keep randomly insulting people around here. ?

What are you using to determine that he struggled mightily for 3 years?

I'm loving this comment.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Don't ruin the Skylark by inviting sports fans.

It's so strange that Coop was anti curve ball. Cease, Giolito and ReyLo all has good looking curves early on. Having them abandon it is just strange. I've posted this many times, but in case anybody wants some curve ball porn... There's more video of his curveballs in the link below. Hopefully we see more of this. https://www.soxmachine.com/2020/07/17/this-is-what-dylan-ceases-curveball-is-supposed-to-do/

2019 428 ABs vs RHP, .794, still 43 points below Engel’s 2020 stats.

Gotta love the insufferable crowd taking this thread over with their doom and gloom. Confident the ownership will blow the competitive window, hoping for injuries to players. What the hell is wrong with some of you?

I'm not yet there in my thinking. However: Think back to how this team wiltered down the stretch last season. Think about how this team got bounced out of the playoffs. Did you, or really ANYONE here think: "Boy, that Alex Colome really fucked up this entire team, and shat his pants. If ONLY we could replace him, we'd be good?" Or, did you, and really, most of us think last season, at the TDL, and down the stretch, and in the playoffs: "For FUCK'S SAKE, we need some M0THERFUCKING STARTING PITCHING!!!!!" So what did those geniuses do? They hired a geezing geezer alkie as manager, fired Mr. "Stay Tall. Throw Cutters. No Curveballs," and bought the most expensive RP they could find. While Hendriks is great, and worth every penny, I don't feel like that was this team's most pressing need. I never felt like the bullpen, or Colome was the reason for this team falling short. In sum, RH/KW/JR's choices this offseason felt like a moron who goes out and buys an Xbox and some weed the same day he gets laid off from his job, instead of taking a more mature approach to his life. The other MAJOR thing that strikes me as moronic was the utter lack of attempts to extend your Ace BEFORE other SPs set the market, as well as trading 6 years of Dunning for 1 year of Lynn. There are other apparently less-than-ideal choices that they made, but I see them as less damning than those two. Now again, I don't yet know if the imbeciles running this thing will have completely shat their pants on this competitive window or not. But I'll agree with you that they haven't made all of the optimal choices, either for 2021, or going forward.

Don't think that's entirely true. ST can make the difference in specific positional competition such as BUC & #4 & #5 SP this year; including Lopez. Same for AV at DH. If he's incredibly good or horribly bad could easily decide his immediate future. If he's somewhere in the middle, who knows.

No, this is where he looks awesome and gets our hopes up before shitting all over himself in May.

Really ? Your glad you didn't go to an ivy league- LOL ! Likely it's really because you couldn't .

I am confused why anyone who be upset with what he said. The kid has confidence in his skills and made lofty goals, who the hell cares?

You are taking this Mr 3000 thing way too far

Ya, I have some issues with other parts of the team but imo we have the best bullpen in baseball. Just ridiculous.

Dude. It sounds like you were the A hole and your team didn't like you. That doesn't necessarily equate to Madrigal. To me it seems like the team giving him some good natured shit after he said something stupid. You know, like friends do.

I'll stop posting because honestly I just don't think enough people here played team sports enough or at a high enough level to get it. There is totally an element of "STFU and be humble" for young cocky players at any level above high school. Including my summer league travel teams and even my shitty DIII squads.

Back in the 60's the late 60's the White Sox had a short pudgy catcher named Smoky Burgess. (to digress, I recall Jack Brickhouse announcing him and Floyd Robinson). Anyway., by that time in his career (late 30's) Burgess was used by the White Sox almost exclusively as a pinch hitter (seldom as a catcher and no DH way back then). His role became so clearly defined that he always stayed in the pen to warm up pitchers unless and until he got called up in the late innings to pinch hit. Long story short, Smoky was known as one of the most clutch hitters in baseball. I I could see Mercedes in the role. a DH and Mr clutch pinch hitter. He was pretty clutch today when he came up with the bases loaded, nearly hit a grand slam, and racked up a three quick rbi. Collins and Lucroy can hit but they don't have the same pazzazz and presence that Mercedes does at the plate. Clutch hitting is a real thing and an important quality, at least from my perspective.

Are you saying that 20 BB = 20 singles?

Those OPS's are HEAVILY bloated with BB's. He walked a lot, great, ho hum. But at the same time, he hit .244, .224. & .234 with pretty ugly K-rates. His Slg wasn't bad over that time but he struggled mightily to make contact. Yermin's slightly better total OPS is based on hits. An OPS matters how it was constructed. My statement of "struggled mightily" is out of context when you mentioned his lofty college numbers. his 1st 3 minors season dropped mightily from college stats.

Not pitching Yermin or hating Collins here. Just saying that placing their MiLB career stats side by side, defensively they average out fairly evenly, some better for Yermin and some better for Collins. Offensively, Yermin has been consistently better by a wide margin. College stats mean very little after draft day. Collins is a perfect example as he struggled mightily for 3 years in the minors before his one and only very good 2019. Then fell back again with the Sox. How is that a "better track record"? If you're going use the term "better track record" at least use their minors stats before college stats. Minors much more relevant and recent. You like to "cherry pick" stats to back your view even when they are much more irrelevant than stats that go against you view.

I like it but he hit neck and neck with Robert in AA/AAA when they were there at the same time and with a much better walk rate and people call what Robert did in 2019 across 3 levels phenomenal. Now of course Robert had great fielding and base running too and was younger, but we are just talking about hitting. Go check I'm not exaggerating . Batting averages, OBP, OPS both killed Birmingham and Charlotte. I understand if you have doubted in the past if you have legit concerns about his fielding but as far as hitting goes the only hurdle he hasn't conquered is MLB and late 2019 and all of 2020 the Sox never gave him a shot.

I understand you are pointing out Ceases curve ball being good, but c’mon let’s be honest...he was bad because he couldn’t get his fastball over and that’s not Coopers fault.

Bud...where have you ever seen anything about Yermin's defense in a positive way? He averaged 20 passed balls a year in the minors and I outlined his minors in the last post. Collins...has had accolades throughout college including the Johnny Bench award,...was top ten draft pick, A league all-star, AA league all-star...lead all minors with walks at AA...put up a .951 OPS at AAA...and had twenty really bad at bats in the majors before ending the season with 20 great at bats. Honestly the Collins hate around here is second only to the JR hate. Its fine to say you like Yermin...I like him too...but there is nothing I said untrue.

Dude, yes he's 2 years older and a righty. The rest of your statement is just made up.

Stop it. Yermin has done enough to deserve a shot. There is easily enough room while Vaughn stays down to accumulate time for the extra year. Quit hating on Yermin.

So you keep the guy that is two years older, righty, worse defensively and worse track record? OK.

Collins is who you trade for a good reliever in July.

Yermin and Vaughn

Him being 28 is a problem but EE being 58 last year wasn’t an issue? Does age or performance matter? I’m confused. Or does it depend on who were talking about?

This is a pleasant thing to hear, also infuriating to hear because there's no rhyme or reason why Coop wanted to kill everyone's curves.

Let the doubters keep doubting him!!

All he does is hit !!

No game.. Talking about Nuclear bombs when I used your link.

A million people a year get arrested for drunk driving...you are clearly drunk while posting right now...doesnt make you an alcoholic, an idiot or a monster...just a guy making a bad choice in the moment. TLR has an amazing record as a manager. Maybe he's forgotten everything he knows...but its not "moronic" to hire him. As for your rantings on the pitchers? Sober up and we can talk.

The more interesting question to me is when you are going to change your screenname to Mr. 3000?

Sox media outlets ( &MLB) has totally miscalculated Sox fan interest. MVP 100 has some NY schmuck on at 3pm. More listeners for him than Sox? Really? NBC Chi has alpine skiing profile and IL St vs N IA football. Huh? No wonder Sox fans drink the most! ...with all due respect to IL St & N IA fans!

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I wish we had one of those word cloud things for this forum. “If,” “could,” “should” and “potential” would be size 8,000 font. Great organizations recognize potential, but don’t rely on it. (Hi, Dodgers.) For a team with World Series aspirations, the criticism of and frustration with the FO is 100% warranted. That said, even though I struggle to see things through the same lens, I truly do appreciate the more optimistic posts on here. While my pessimism/realism often gets the best of me, the optimism helps center me when I teeter a little too far on the negative end of the spectrum. In conclusion, holy sh*t. We have Luis Robert on our team. OUR team.