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Correct. But if they aren't even considering surgery than it isn't a bad grade 3 tear. So the likelihood of long term issues is greatly diminished.

Collins > Grandal, IMO.

What is the rule there? Let's ask LaRussa.

LOL! Reinsdorf has “cultivated” the fan base while Bill Veeck “almost destroyed it”? Are you nuts? Bill Veeck saved the franchise for the city of Chicago by buying the team and keeping it in the city when it looked like a move to Seattle was inevitable. Conversely, Reinsdorf blackmailed the state into building and paying for the “nice clean facility” by threatening to move the city to Florida if it did not. Add to that the myriad of other franchise-crushing decisions perpetrated by Reinsdorf over his 40+ years, nothing of which Veeck came even remotely close to making, and you can’t compare the two. From SportsVision to letting Harry Caray go to the Cubs to hiring Hawk as GM to the blackmail incident to building a horribly-designed ballpark to siding with hard line owners over the Sox in 1994 to the White Flag trade to Terry Bevington to the shabby treatment of Fisk at the end of his career to the hiring of Ventura to just six postseason appearances in 40 years to now the debacle of 2021 Tony LaRussa, you can surely say Reinsdorf has cultivated a fan base: one that can’t wait to see him go.

I touched on three different topics and you repeated something that I said in response to the situation which I said explicitly "I am not sure." Not all of us are the all knowing like you. Hopefully one day I can reach your level enlightenment. Until then, if you could just never respond to my posts so I can learn on my own that'd be great.

I don’t mind Hamilton coming in for defense but it’s gotta be in the 8th or later

Stop taking your best hitter Vaughn out of every ballgame. Stop putting Billy Hamilton in every ballgame. Stop bunting.

I just wish Tony would leave Vaughn in for a whole goddamn game. Let the guy get some ABs, jesus

Thank God for Rodon. Should have added a few more runs late if Tony wasn't all caught up in small ball bunting and Hamilton batting late because he pulled Vaughn again. Hamilton has two less at bats to end the game (Innings 7-10) than Vaughn. This needs to stop, now. Hamilton should never be brought in before the 9th, and never with the possibility to bat in a crucial spot. 2021 Batting Averages (Innings 7-10): Andrew Vaughn: 5-14 .357 vs. Tony's Guys 3-45 .0666 Leury Garcia 2-22 .091 Billy Hamilton 1-12 .083 Jake Lamb 0-6 .000 Nick Williams 0-5 .000

Oh look, a catcher confident enough to call sliders with runners in scoring position

If Jason and Len can talk about nonsense, can I mention my new puppy has been snuggled up next to me sleeping for much of the game.

i think len and darrin are fine on radio this pairing is just flat bad. jason needs to let the fucking game breathe.

I get the sense Kasper is getting a little annoyed with Benetti’s continuous attempts at being a funny guy.

Benetti really needs to learn that stories of him growing up and getting wax dolphins from Brookfield Zoo aren’t needed in the later innings of a ballgame when the Sox have a potential rally going.

I agree...I don't think Vaughn could make it all the way over from LF.

How did ol’ JR go about getting his shiny new stadium? It’s the envy of the league, too. As for the game, look...Sox didn’t hit. But regardless, they were in the game. It was 0-0, if you recall. These are the games where a manager earns their money in terms of being chess players. Any dummy can manage a 9-0 game. He botched it. Period.

Remember that 2 months to heal. He will need to do rehab then progress to baseball after that. So the time frame fits.

It's very good. There must not be as many fibers torn for a bad grade 3. All is looking up.

Here's the only figures you need: In 1980, Cubs attendance exceeded the Sox by 0.5% In 2019, Cubs attendance exceeded the Sox by 187.6% That is the fruit of Reinsdorf's ownership.

Hmm, maybe because I don't care who posts what and don't follow you around because you're posts aren't important to me? I don't care what your username is, you posted something that was incorrect and I corrected it. If you feel you're above that, and think you should post free of any commentary to the contrary of your viewpoint maybe you should consider not posting on public message boards? Again, this self inflated sense of importance you have about yourself really gets in the way of basic conversation. All I said was that that part of the post was wrong, and then corrected what LaRussa actually said; you've now gone on to write multiple posts getting oddly defensive and making this a personal vendetta in your brain despite nothing personal being exchanged from my end. I've said this before, but get over yourself guy.

It's almost as if we were better off having the game played the way it's been played that last 100+ years... And to be clear, LaRussa and his staff should still know the rules. No matter how dumb they are.

You disagree or mischaracterize with most of my posts. You alone take exception to my Sox posts more than the rest of the board combined. In fact, I am surprised I got to post 4 or whatever it is today without getting one of your lessons. Your responses almost always exude arrogance and they typically lead to a personal attack from you. You clearly you have some strange personal thing with me and I am not sure who you are or if you used to have a different username, but it's pretty strange. So how about, adult to adult, we agree not to respond to each other's posts? I will certainly hold up my end if you hold up yours. PS If you pay attention - people don't like when you take over threads with your pissing contests and arrogance. I, like many others, come here to talk Sox and your daily personal battles tend to distract from the SoxTalk. Almost like how the ads on FanGraphs make it more difficult for me to get to where I am trying to go. For the betterment of the site, I will gladly stop exchanging with you. I know it's probably tough for you to imagine that I could through my day and be so ignorant about the Sox without your jabs, but I am confident we can both grow from this. And plus, since I am asking for this, you can play it off like I am too scared and tell people I couldn't cut it with you. You can have more internet victories - and that's really why you post here right. Let's see if we could both be mature and just ignore each other. Please confirm you can do that.

I still believe he will land in the 5 to 10 HR range annually in his career.

Also, in two seasons thus far, 54 games and 192 AB's: BA .328, OBP .374 and only 11 K's. IDK, but if we you told the day Hahn drafted Nick with the #4 overall pick in 2018, I find it hard to believe you wouldn't be ecstatic to have a player with these numbers in his second season.

I wouldn't go as far as he's looked comfortable, but he hasn't screwed up and he hasn't been a rollercoaster. Honestly, he hasn't been challenged too much but he's looked better than Eloy. He seems like a mature kid. He had no issues or confusion when it come to giving way to Robert and even TA. I think he knows he's in the lineup for his bat. Know you role, know your worth. Once the power comes with this guy everyone will love him and he's a far more valuable player in LF than at 1B.

Many people admit they were wrong and change their minds on this site due to new information. You are just not enjoying this discussion because you don't want to change your mind.

Again, who cares if the announcers didn’t know the rules? They aren’t in charge of the in-game strategy. And this idea La Russa should get a free pass because he’s an “AL Manager” is absolutely ludicrous. It’s 100% unacceptable he didn’t know that rule and that has NOTHING to do with his advanced age, his 10 years away from the game, or his questionable character (the main reasons people didn’t want him). If Tony was actually managing like a “Hall of Fame baseball person” most people would be fine with him right, but we simply haven’t gotten this elite tactician that we were promised. Instead we’ve gotten a guy who been a huge detriment to the team and has been far worse so far than his predecessor many here (including myself) wanted to see fired. I have no idea how anyone could be watching these games and still feel the need to defend La Russa, especially after his lack of awareness could have resulted in our highly paid closer getting injured. And by the way, it wasn’t his lack of understanding of a rule that contributed to the loss, it was the many other decisions he made late in the game like having Leury steal and not putting Winker on 1st with an open base. Our offense scoring zero runs and Tony making poor tactical decisions aren’t mutually exclusive and can both be reasons we lost the game.

Who knew we drafted Jon Olerud minus the batting helmet at first...

Amen to teeballesque bull. That's a mouthful.

Feels like a good thing to avoid surgery whenever possible, even if the timetable is similar. Rest up Luis, we'll need ya in the stretch run.

I will say this, before I got my second shot yesterday I was waiting and reading the handout on the Moderna vaccine. I laughed to myself because "common sense Greg" would never have accepted the shot after reading the material. It said the vaccine is not yet approved. It said it is unknown if there will be any long term side effects. I mean, after reading the handout there is ONLY one reason for one to be vaccinated and why I was vaccinated -- because frankly common sense says at this juncture it was unwise to inject the vaccine into my body. To get the vaccine you have to buy in to the fact COVID-19 is extremely serious, a once in a lifetime (hopefully?) threat to the entire country and entire world. By accepting the fact is it extremely serious (I accept the fact if I get Covid I could die gasping for air in a hospital bed; again many do not believe this is realistic) I willingly took shot No. 2 yesterday. I'm convinced those not getting vaccinated do not think this is a serious disease, do not believe Fauci and all the politicians and are quite worried the vaccine has not yet been approved with no knowledge of long term side effects. My deduction (partly because of what's happening in India; I do believe the crisis is horrendous) is that this is a vicious serious disease, one that I do not want to get and one I do not want to inadvertently spread to others. IN CONCLUSION ... after reading the handout I can understand why peeps would be hesitant. My decision was to ward off "common sense Greg" forget for a minute my disdain for politics and politicians and go ahead and get the vaccine. (So far sore arm, nothing else yet). Peace out.

Agreed. Yet fans somehow believe guys he's hired and kept on like Hahn would be grabbed up in a hurry by other teams. Only an inept chairman ( he owns less that 20% of the team ) would keep these guys after so many losing seasons. I don't know why we, myself included, keep calling him the owner. He's the chairman and owns less than 1/5th of the team.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't assume Jerry is lucid at age 85 for one second. I think he is completely senile and losing it. This is a horrific dangerous combination when on top if it, Jerry is an inept and pompous owner. No owner in baseball today would have made this type of hire, other than a egotistical and clueless Reinsdorf. This was a absurd decision for Jerry for his own selfish reasons to placate his injured ego, from his move he screwed up 35 years ago when he let Hawk Harrelson fire TLR.

Totally valid! First of all, Nick didn't hit home runs in college. Secondly, Rick Hahn didn't draft him Nick to hit HR's. Hahn drafted him to be a solid .300 hitter and play a great 2B. You need look at college numbers since he was one of the top hitters in college baseball and then you will understand why Hahn drafted him. He didn't hit home runs. Thirdly, since when is the requirement to hit home runs from the 2B position? When we have our entire team healthy, we will have plenty of HR production from Abreu, Eloy and Robert and what should have been Grandal and hopefully Vaughn in the future. Nicks college numbers over 3 years: Year Team POS AVG OBP SLG OPS GP AB R H 2B 3b HR RBI HP BB SO SB CS 2016 .333 .380 .456 .836 49 195 38 65 11 5 1 29 1 15 14 8 2 2017 .380 .449 .532 .981 60 237 53 90 20 2 4 40 6 27 16 16 4 2018 INF .367 .428 .511 .939 42 180 41 66 9 4 3 34 4 16 7 15 1

I watched the post game conference and you misrepresented what he said. Then implied he was helping g his player by doing so. I didnt address your other points because I had nothing to say about them. Is that ok with you? Take your condescending poor me nonsense somewhere else. Sheesh.

People keep referring to this as a NL rule, but the reality is it was an update to a rule implemented last year that applied to all teams. This update only exists because they got rid of the universal DH and as such they had to determine how to handle pitchers in the event they were the designated runner in extras. All mangers were made aware of the rule change and given that every team plays inter-league games this should have been relevant info for each of them. If you want to critique the broader coaching staff that’s totally fine, but it’s not fair to position this as some weird one-off NL rule IMO.

For the double switch - I took the press comments just as you did. They were questioning LaRussa on having Hendriks be the runner which confirms they didn't know/understand the rule and that a pitcher never has to be that runner. For the Leury steal, I think LaRussa's comments were more open-ended. To me, if Garcia gets caught stealing on a sign from the dugout, the manager says "We gave him the sign, he's doing his job, etc." but that's not what LaRussa said. Just said "we were trying to be aggressive" which I took to imply that Garcia went on his own. He also made comments that he would do it again. So I am not sure. Absolutely inexplicable there though. The one thing I think LaRussa has done well this season is protect his players and take fault when he's screwed up when he's in the media. That said, we're not even 30 games into the season and you can already make a compilation of LaRussa documenting his failures.

Yup, and both the defense & base-running have radically improved since an ugly start. He looks like a nice piece to the puzzle even if his ceiling will always be capped due to a lack of power.

You've got better things to do than get worked up over this... better things like getting worked up about people getting worked up over this. Amazing stuff.

If he can do that without kicking the ball around and landing himself in the hospital, we upgraded. Sign me up.

Often there is delegation in staffs for certain things... I'm not defending LaRussa - but he isn't the only person with a brain in the dug out (or the entire organization) Who is really in charge is an interesting question... I think you were going for a snappy come back - but really that's an over simplification (ive already said multiple times I think La Russa should know the rule - but there are others who failed as well).

It's amazing how people think the announcers are the ones that should know lol. Might be the dumbest excuse I read over and over. The league told manager in spring, not announcers. My goodness why do people carry water for larussa so much? If rules change in my profession it is MY job to know that. If my bosses don't tell me and I fuck up because of it I can't blame my bosses for not holding my hand. If I am the one who attends to meeting or session regarding the rule changes and fail again its not on MY team for not reminding me. A part of jobs and careers in leadership is responsibility. The people in this thread who want to blame everyone but the guy in charge who was told about the rule is completely laughable. And there are way more rules in my career than the game of baseball and they change much more often than in baseball. This is all such nonsense.

It’s not Benetti’s job to know the rules… it’s TLR’s job. And one of the “positives” of hiring TLR was that he’d won in both leagues.

At least there was this.

I just don't see whats so hard about reading all of the language of a new rule. Seems like something every manager should do. It shouldn't take an in game experience to learn something that is new this year. David Bell said this when asked about it "the league made it really clear that it was going to be a new rule in spring training"

Got my second Moderna shot today. If it truly is some conspiracy, the people administering shots are fooled. They are so professional and nice. So far 3.5 hours into the shot and no symptoms. I would be all for having no symptoms. I always ask people about their shots for smalltalk and I'll tell you, there's no rhyme or reason. Some young peeps no problems; some get very sick a few days; most older peeps have had no symptoms, then again a couple got hammered. And some Pfizer some Moderna. Doesn't seem to matter in terms of bad symptoms or no symptoms, Moderna vs. Pfizer. I don't want to get political, and can't get political on the board here, but I am very upset this virus happened to get unleashed on the world and am very concerned about the future of the world, considering this thing is currently crippling a few countries. You can probably imagine who I am blaming but I will not go there and get suspended. In conclusion, the peeps administering the shots in this part of the country have been very nice/professional. They even handed out a gift bag full of gifts to the fully vaccinated today at the place I went. The woman was quite reassuring, saying to get ready for flu like symptoms but to not panic if they do not go away right away.