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They may be in 1st place and have an 8 game lead, but they haven't hit enough HRs. Total fail. After all the losing we have witnessed the past decade, why can't fans just enjoy the winning?

lol what a terrible take. I swear some of our fans hate every player on the team. Moncada's WAR among 3B: 2019: 6th 2020: 4th 2021: 6th If that's your definition of "massive disappointment" you're just delusional

a no hitter for the Angels!

Moncada and his current 5 fWAR pace is certainly one of the biggest problems and needs to be straightened out immediately.

Here are the details of his contract: 20:$1M, 21:$6M, 22:$13M, 23:$17M, 24:$24M, 25:$25M club option ($5M buyout) The $5 million buyout, it would cost the Sox to extricate themselves from that $25 million salary, in 2025, is problematic. If he isn't better than this current version of the player, would you even consider paying him $25 million, if it didn't cost you $5 million to avoid doing so? I would not. He is not currently a $25 million a year player. He is a very good athlete, with seemingly immense potential. However, he is not playing up to his promise and that perceived potential. He is not driving in a lot of runs, hitting homers, or stealing bases, which were all things that I think most expected him to do. It's one thing to acknowledge that he is a good player, but yet quite another to call him a super star, which many expected him to become. He is now at the age when he should be in the prime of his career. If this is his prime level of performance, that is a little disappointing.

Amazing for the dark cloud that hangs over every one of your posts, Sale coming back and being "himself" seems like a foregone conclusion even after..... 1. Not pitching since 2019 2. Turning 33 in a few months 3. Being fairly bad in 2019 ?

The 2005 White Sox were 20th in offensive production, 13th in RBIs, 18th in batting average, 15th in OPS. They were 5th in home runs. They just happened to be full of magic and scored runs and the correct time all season long. The current iteration is 4th in offensive production, 4th in RBIs, 4th in batting average, 7th in OPS. They are 24th in home runs. If you add a full season of Robert and Eloy hitting missiles, we're not talking about a "pitching and power" team, we're talking about a "pitching and well rounded offense" team, but you aren't happy with winning despite suffering four massive injuries to a lineup, for some reason.

I can take care of that for you right now.

They got two of the better prep bats in the class. Two top 50 draft prospects. They also grabbed a solid college starter who will definitely stay in the rotation. The prep pitcher is a bit under the radar but they liked him enough to pay a significant bonus. The 4th rounder is a decent prospect too. They’ll add more talent today and then we can really stack the class in order.

Of course You don’t think saying the Sox wouldn’t pick up his option is a hot take. What a waste of our sweet boards server space.

Moncada has been a massive disappointment. I'm sure I'll take some flak for saying that but I'm sure I'm not the only Sox fan on these boards who agrees, this was the main piece for Sale remember.

The DUI stuff always catches up with people. I can't stand Stone already. Hopefully, the Sox can go deep in the playoffs this year. LaRussa and his supporters can take credit if they want. Then hopefully, LaRussa will not be manager in 2022.

I have hope he puts up some 10WAR seasons too. I also prefer 10 WAR seasons to 5 WAR seasons, just like you. When is he gonna walk into Trout’s house and piss 12 WAR all over his face? Hopefully sooner rather than later.

No, but I'm saying that Gallo isn't enough of an upgrade over Engel to be worth giving up someone like Crochet who can help the Sox win this year.

Sounds like Manfred is saying both of these rules will be going away after 2021.

Decent player...uh huh.

Ok thank you are you sending me a bill or is this a free of charge psychiatric visit ?

I wouldn't mind it for the 13th. Let a team bat through the order once (3 innings) before placing the guy on 2nd.

The only bad thing about this is that they won’t do it immediately edit: They should prohibit teams from scheduling split 7 inning doubleheaders, that’s some grade A bullshit

Good.

I'm with Quin on this one. You say you're ectsatic but you really seem upset, Cali.

Eight games up: If it isn't broke, fix it 'til it is. Works for me.

Boston took Niko. He's going to hit BOMBS in Fenway.

Let's be real, everybody knows there is more leniency on that rule here if you're ripping the right or saying orange man bad.

Is the joke that I watch Fox News? Because I don't and have never said anything about Fox News or watching it. You should try having an original take on anything. Also, politics are against the rules. So your hack Fox News jokes and snowflake/woke/fill-in-the-blank-buzzword drivel is against the rules. An admin just made the same lame hack jack you did to another poster and admitted that doing so is against the rules. So maybe I "missed the sarcastic joke" because you're a scatter brain that can't express yourself in any coherent fashion.

The reduction in home runs, specifically their "ranking", is stark. It warrants the questions of why and what it portends. The "why": I believe injuries. The post about the sox being 4th in HR's had they had Eloy and Luis tells us all we need to know. Its not the dead ball or sticky stuff IMO because that affects all teams. The "what it portends": We should be very encouraged. The run production without those two bats shows the multidimensionality of the offense. Just wait until the bats return.

It's the usual suspects or should I say suspect in the case of the first page of this thread every single time.

I am happy, it was a genuine question about whether or not home runs really matter that much, can a team hitting so few home runs do well in the post season? Pardon my apparent ignorance of these things, I'm an English White Sox fan who is trying to learn the more detailed aspects of the game and sometimes my questions may be a bit obvious to you guys!

Should this be in the Moncada thread?

Moncada is 3rd in fWAR among all 3rd basemen from 2019 to 2021

Smelley Sharts….I see myself out

HR rankings by World Series teams: 2014: KCR - 30, SFG - 17 2015: KCR - 24, NYM - 8 2016: CLE - 18, CHC - 13 2017: HOU - 2, LAD - 11 2018: BOS - 9, LAD - 2 2019: HOU - 1, WSN - 13 2020: TBR - 8, LAD - 3 Rankings by offensive fWAR: 2014: KCR - 12, SFG - 6 2015: KCR - 9, NYM - 6 2016: CLE - 6, CHC - 1 2017: HOU - 1, LAD - 2 2018: BOS - 2, LAD - 1 2019: HOU - 1, WSN - 8 2020: TBR - 13, LAD - 1 It seems that a much better indicator is the overall quality of offense instead vs. how many jacks you can hit. As for you being unhappy: Either you're happy with wins or you're not happy with wins, unless you're statement meant you're not happy with how they're winning. But you clearly stated that you're not happy with something. This season is an aberration when two of your three biggest power hitters (alongside Abreu) go down and the team keeps winning.

Also being well beyond the point that the trade is even relevant when considering Chirs Sale's production for the Red Sox. He's essentially a free agent pickup at this point

Meanwhile, on the Red Sox boards, they’re probably bitching that they gave up Moncada and Kopech for two decent years of Sale, and then nada since 2019.

I'm more interested in a W than a HR

I think I like this answer the best . HR's are good very good in fact.Going forward I'm sorry if I cannot share Dick Allens view about just being happy with winning after so many losing seasons . That sounds to me like we should all be grateful the Sox finally have a winning team on the field and should not expect to play in the World Series. HR's are what win World Series. When you look at the most replayed moments in World Series or playoffs history what you see is usually big HR's. Of course pitching has just as much to do with winning World Seies but for dramatic instant game winning moments the HR tops everything. Go back to the Sox last World Series and we remember Podsenik, Blum, Konerko, Crede HR's plus dominant starting pitching. When the Sox have just a few more HR's than bottom dwelling NL teams that bat a pitcher and only top the woeful Royals in the AL when the Sox have faced the bottom dwellers of the AL central and Baltimore 7 times yes I think it's a serious problem for a playoff bound team. Moncada has a shoulder issue and still have no idea if Covid has any lingering effect until he doesn't have to play through a shoulder problem. So can't really count on him to step up power production. Grandal's recovery is still questionable until we hear more about his recovery and rehab. Eloy and Robert both are coming off serious injuries and should provide a lift but just how much of a lift is uncertain. Expecting Eloy , Robert and Grandal to pick up where they left off probably isn't a good idea. Vaughn seems likely to produce another 10 HR's conservatively. Abreu's production is down and maybe getting Eloy back helps that but what if this is just Abreu having an off year and starts a decline in his numbers going forward. Basically we are looking at nothing from left handed hitters except maybe a few more from Collins . From the right side it's definitely looking better but not Eloy , Robert and Abreu at past production or top of their game better. That's why I have been stressing the HR power of Escobar and Gallo when talking about trades. A lot to ask I know when we desperately need relief pitching too. Step up the power production and the 2021 Sox start to look more like the pitching and power team that the 2005 White Sox were.

Home runs are not the extent of “power”. Even with Robert out most of the season and Eloy all of it, the Sox rank 9th in MLB in slugging percentage.

Those who want to cavalierly dismiss any criticism of Moncada as ridiculous, seem to want to use hyperbole, which is unwarranted. Speaking for myself, I have never said that he is a terrible player, or that I wanted him DFA'd. It's simply a matter of honestly trying to assess whether, or not, he is as good as was expected and is worth the amount of money that he has earned and will earn, especially in the last 2 years of his current contract. After all, he was the centerpiece for Chris Sale.

Honestly just DFA him today.

I don’t think the OP was complaining.

Burke is a much more interesting pick than you are selling him as. Definitely has the build and motion to be a starter and has a great fastball.

You'd think from reading some folks' takes on Moncada that he's performing like Conor Gillaspie or Mark Teahen.

Hot take: No White Sox third baseman will ever again record a song ever approaching the quality of Desastre Personal Here it is again, because it's a bop:

There's a guy on another board I post on that claims that the Sox got nothing for Sale. He believes Moncada sucks and Kopech will be a reliever. I will admit, I was really excited about both players entering 2020 and then Kopech opted out and Moncada got Covid. Even this version of Moncada is still a solid player but you do expect more than that when trading Sale. Moncada's current value is tied entirely to his walks so I wonder what his value would be if he wasn't walking so much. Even if Moncada kept doing what he’s doing in 2021, (a ~.400 OBP and SLG) I'm not sure you'd pick up his option year. Kopech still has the potential to start but I do wonder if he's ever getting out of the bullpen at this point. He just doesn't have enough innings.

He's the best manager we've had in my lifetime. I'm 47.

First off, Yoan Moncada is a gold glove caliber 3B. He's 7th in all of baseball in 3B fangraphs defensive rating, and 7th in UZR/150. He was 4th in both last year. So yes, I am going to going ahead and proclaim Yoan Moncada a defensive guru. He already played multiple spots, playing a MUCH better 2B than Burger did (remember they wouldn't even let him play it daily at AAA?), also coming through baseball while playing a respectable SS, but was moved off because of the players in front of him in Boston In Xander Boegarts, and then Tim Anderson is Chicago. Yeah, if you want a flex on Yoan, you might have an argument on the power stuff, but defensively? No. No way.