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Here's the thing. I don't think what Tony LaRussa looks like made any difference to the hire. Looking back on the Sox history, they bring in their guys to do jobs, simply because they were their guys. As much as a I hate Tony LaRussa and the joke of a process that brought him in here, I have very little reason to think it was race related and that Jerry only hired him because he was white. He hired him because he was Tony LaRussa and he has wanted him back since 1986.

The lack of size hurt this game. Same for DeMar's end of game tunnel vision.

They have been taking a larger and larger share of revenues. The players are losing both share and dollars.

Just ask his burner account, poppysox.

LMFAO. That was a good joke that made me laugh for sure.

The owners are human scum. Not all of them, but collectively they are. They are a cynical, greedy and overly prideful group used to getting their way even if they have to run someone over to get there.

We both understand that both sides make ridiculous offers and counter offers, but the owners have been refusing to counter. They aren't even negotiating, just saying no. I hope the mediation remedies this also, but it just feels like a stalling tactic to draw this out more and that really sucks.

You keep saying stuff like that, where is your evidence.

If games are missed I really hope the players are able to hold out for some significant changes. Baseball is broken and it's beyond obvious the owners couldn't give a shit less. They're making obscene amouts of money and that's all they care about. If the players hold out and are able to address tanking and service time manipulation to me it will be worth it. If the players are not able to make the game a better product for the fans then this will all be a giant waste of time.

Some people won't be happy until they kill the golden goose. Average guys who deliver the mail or deliver appliances live for their ballgame for a few hours of escape from reality. I don't care if the players get another million or not. This forum has nothing but die-hard fans and yet it has been dead. Baseball ought to worry when the people who are really into their team are this apathetic.

I said earlier you pay that money and don't worry about it, and I stand by that. Not my decision though

I wish he slowed down a bit on that last one.

No surprise here.

Yeah, that's was a good chuckle. It's pretty obvious to fans who don't have blind fealty to ownership that the owners aren't in fact working furiously to come to a resolution. Quite the opposite in fact.

Spring for sure. Spring Training,...tbd.

Yeah, its another hardball tactic. And its gross.

All of the players are nice people without a greedy bone in their bodies.

If an impasse is reached then the owners can imposse their last "offer" as the new cba. That seems to be the move here.

So the lockout the billionaires started has gone nowhere because they have yet to bargain in good faith. But they are the ones going to grumble in frustration to the press at the lack of progress. GTFO with that nonsense. This shit is on you and on no one else.

I’d say the statement that no one wants to see 100 win and 55 win teams is one I very much disagree with. What I want to see in terms of the bottom - is for it not to be the same teams winning 55 games every year. I get it that teams need to rebuild and sell off players sometimes, but that should be a 3 to 4 year process. The Cubs sold guys off and started a rebuild and in year 5 they made the NLCS. The Astros sold guys off and in year 5 won the wild card. The White Sox sold guys off and in year 4 made the short season playoffs and in year 5 made the playoffs legitimately. These things have to happen sometimes, when your franchise is old and has very little talent around. Teams can absolutely use tools to get out of those rebuilds more quickly. The Mets are way into the luxury tax, so much so that under the old CBA it would cost them draft picks. But, if they traded Cano, it would probably get them back draft picks and save them 1.4 times his contract. So Cano to the Pirates along with the Mets top 2 prospects - the Mets save money and get back two draft picks, the Pirates add talent and heck if Cano ever stays healthy maybe he could even be moved at a trade deadline for a minor piece? The White Sox are up against the luxury tax and Keuchel had a bad year, so package Keuchel with Burger or someone like that, send him to Pittsburgh. Pitt gets a prospect and a guy who might be tradeable, the White Sox get luxury tax space. Why aren’t these bottom feeding teams doing that? Money. The other big thing I want to put a stop to is teams like Cleveland and Oakland rebuilding. 2020 Cleveland made the playoffs, they made them for what 5 consecutive years, they had a star at SS, homegrown player - and traded him away for being too expensive. That’s terrible for a fan base. I once said that Joe Mayer staying In Minnesota was bad for the white Sox and good for baseball - guys like Lindor leaving playoff teams who have low salaries is terrible for baseball. Oakland is a regular playoff team, they missed narrowly last year after one of their players had his face broken, and now rather than adding a couple players to get past the Astros they’re talking about rebuilding? Come on, without adding anyone the Fangraphs projection put them right in the Wild Card race. In a year or two, fine they lose Bassitt and Chapman and maybe that’s the point where they have to rebuild, but now?

Seriously. How heavy is that water you're carrying there Bob?

The party that didn't bother talking for six weeks is being unreasonable. Sounds reasonable.

Shitbags

Wow. Fucking ridiculous.

I was thinking the same thing this morning listening to talk radio talk about the Blackhawks.

It's most likely a tactic.

Wait, the side that has shown the least flexibility is calling for a mediator? The side that waited how many days to make a proposal?

Exactly. All you have to do is list off of a bullet point of the usual platitudes here. The big thing you can't do is explode at the guy asking the question, well, because the question is fair. You covered this up for a decade. What are you doing NOW to make sure it doesn't happen again? They still have never actually publicly said that part out loud.

Larussa represents the gray area that we all know exists. Yes he is a hall of fame manager with many accolades. No, there was not a valid open hiring process that we all know should exist. The white Sox past hiring practices show that they have been progressive in hiring minority candidates and do not shy from it, but they did not give one chance here and that really sucks. Should there be a rule similar to the Rooney rule in the mlb? Maybe, it seems that in the majors that they have gotten to the point where minority candidates aren't a surprise or sham interview anymore

And to further add to this, I have zero doubt that five years from now, if Jerry still is a part of this organization, that we will throw out procedure to hire Jose Abreu to some management position in this organization just because he was a beloved and long term member of this organization.

And I have no doubt that if Tony LaRussa had all of the baggage and history of Tony LaRussa and the skin pigment of Kenny Williams, Jerry will would have thrown process out the window to rehire him. Even the Sox sham interview was a guy who had a history here.

To further this. look at this list from a couple of days ago. All kinds of ethnic backgrounds here. What to do almost all of them have in common? They played for the White Sox at some point. https://theathletic.com/3108064/2022/02/02/on-the-other-side-of-the-game-nicky-delmonico-rejoins-white-sox-as-a-minor-league-hitting-coach/

Shortening the season would be a travesty. Expanding the playoffs further would be dumb.

When it comes to the White Sox their history of innovation and integration holds up better than pretty much anyone else in baseball. Their track record makes me trust them more than just words and interviews do.

I would support it. There is bad, and then there is cover for a rapist.

The owners could end this anytime they want and still have money for many generations of descendants. Players would still be earning at the MLB level much more than they could anywhere else and have money for their descendants. The only threat to their wealth is a bunch of too big egos who can't come up with an agreement. This is insanity. Unlike most strikes/work stoppages in our history both sides could live very comfortably with the previous agreement. They aren't fighting over unsafe working conditions, poverty wages, business about to fail without concessions from the workers, etc. The fight is over how to share the profits of a very profitable business. I wish there was something truly nobel for them to fight over. I could dig in and argue with the best of them. But in a world where people are starving, face persecution and wars these idiots are fighting over when someone should be arb eligible?! One side is saying $600,000 isn't enough and the other side can pay $750,000 but won't?

I guess you didn't read my full post. Bummer. No, letting them do whatever they want isn't a solution, I never said it was. never advocated for it. It's about the stupidest thing I could think of doing. What I'm saying is we need something better than the Rooney rule. I don't think the Rooney rule is working, does anyone?

The league needs to pressure them into selling and I don't say that lightly, it should only be an option when someone is an embarrassment to the league.

Didn't realize there was more lol.

Makes me feel good about ignoring this season and into the future.

I sent an email to Bettman's official email account. I have no hope of him actually reading it but I'm hoping someone is reporting what is coming through. His (Rocky's) arrogance is just so infuriating.

I'm all for shitting on Mark Lazerus but his question was very fair. It was extremely unprofessional from Rocky.

So Chris Morgan is the OL coach. I thought it was going to be an interesting decision. It's hard in our position to know really much about coaches that don't get spotlighted for excellent work, but one thing I've been batting around in my head is what happened with Fangio, as I know I'm repetitive. But there is Zero doubt Mike Munchak is a great O Line coach, as there was zero doubt Harry Hiestand is. But they were hired under offensive coaches that wanted to run an outside zone scheme that wasn't their specialty (this is my understanding - could be wrong). After 1 year, Fangio dumped Scarangelo (Shanahans QB coach), and went to Shurmur. He chose the Oline coach, basically. Nagy ditched Hiestand and got Castillo. Morgan worked under Shanahan in 15-17 in ATL all the way through 2020. He was in Pitt last year as an asst oline coach and took over the last 3 games as they tried to move to an outside zone based scheme. And last summer I read this article which was excellent https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/08/16/why-its-hard-to-copycat-the-shanahan-style-offense-daily-coverhttps://www.si.com/nfl/2021/08/16/why-its-hard-to-copycat-the-shanahan-style-offense-daily-cover So it's good to have now OC and OL coach on the same page. We'll see how they continue to move.

He gave my son his first ball at a game so I’m all for this. ?

The union has also asked for about a 20% increase in the minimum salary that would affect the journeymen directly at a cost of about $1-$2 million per team. The owners oppose it, and have offered about a 2% increase.

Like last year when Bernstein and Rahimi said that Dylan Cease for Joc Pederson was a good trade, but it wasn't enough from the Sox to get Joc, lol

Peacemaker is fucking amazing