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Lets take a trip down memory lane shall we... Quite an odd revealing statement, said unprovoked. Seems pretty anti player to me. Reason why he thinks the players should have caved in mid December. Said in discussion of the players earning more. Quite the contemptuous tone. Seems pretty anti player to me. In discussing why he sides with ownership. A statement not based in fact and debunked by posters later down the page. His own words. Total speculation based on no real info, but with a serious anti-player bend. The union has proposed raising the minimum and it is still a major sticking point for owners. A false statement. The Sox definitely watched those service time days before calling up a few prized prospects. A statement based purely on opinion that has been disproven as the lockout has dragged into almost March. A statement of deflection while refusing to answer an ask for the proof behind his statements. A pattern that continues throughout the thread. My rebuttal, debunking yet another false statement. Just in the first 25 or so pages of this thread. But we have reading comprehension issues.

Been a while since I have seen a full @Quin happen on this site. Well done @Tnetennba

Might be time to step away from Soxtalk man.

Lol the next time you actually defend your position will be the first, unless you consider recommending "read the bleacher report for my opinion" as a defense

Lmao exactly the response I expected from the owners lackey. Maybe next time i should talk about players being happy with what they've got

Jeff Passan fucks.

Yeah, I just can't "both sides" this one. One side locked out the other. The other side is asking for a rational increase on key points. When I was younger, I didn't much care for the players' side. But this whole "billionaires vs millionaires" trope is lazy analysis. The billionaires could have continued under the previous agreement, and then negotiated in good faith, but I guess "winning" is more important to them. Insofar as poppy goes, he's free to express his views, even if they're unpopular. As a purveyor of the occasional unpopular view here, I support him to continue to make this discussion interesting. (Full disclosure: I think he's misguided, but I also think its ok for him to opine against the prevailing position here.) This sucks, but thinking about our Ukrainian friends getting bullied makes this impasse seem trivial by comparison. Here's hoping for an agreement, and then for this FO to not fuck up what could be a special team.

I spent an hour of my afternoon, mostly for my own amusement, to present the reading audience with receipts. You've proven you're full of shit countless times in this thread and I backed it up with your own statements. I didn't even get to the part where you claimed you were basically the expert on negotiations based simply on your own work experience, or even to the past month's specious, misleading, or non-factual statements. You can deflect and get grumpy because you don't like getting called out all you'd like, but you're just fueling it all the more. The evidence is in this thread. You have sided with ownership in your own words and repeatedly bashed the players for being greedy and spoiled. We've all been reading it all winter. No amount of deflection, refusal to acknowledge the truth, gaslighting, changing the subject, or accusations of name calling can erase that. Lashing out even further doesn't help your cause at all either, it just makes you look small and sad. Peace

Yet, your posts routinely bash players and make excuses for owners and present them in the best possible light. Most others can see it, which should tell you something.

Because it isn't congruent with all of your arguments.

Literally every single player is a self made man who made it to the majors based on their skill and ability. There is no inheriting a major league baseball career.

@southsider2k5, thanks for all the updates. Much appreciated.

This just seems bad for both sides ?

Y'all are right, we had reading comprehension issues due to the thread title. It said work stoppage and it should have said lockout all along.

And yet you never respond to questions posed to you, because you know you can't. It's the same shtick with you all the time. Maybe people would take you more seriously if you actually tried to engage with people, instead of making a comment, getting called out for it, then running away instead of backing it up with any kind of substance.

This post is exactly why people accuse you of being pro-owner.

My beef is with you referring to the owners as “self made” men when in reality many of them are just the beneficiaries of rich families. It’s very pro owner rhetoric and along the same lines as you saying the Waltons are beloved for creating hundreds of thousands of low paying jobs. Let’s try to be objective here and not take clear sides in a fight between millionaires & billionaires for reasons that aren’t true or logical.

So Jeff Passan stops reporting when the news is positive ?. Typical. National Dan Bernstein.

Echo this. He is covering this better than MLB network which I am watching non stop hoping to see breaking news pop up tonight…keep the updates coming 2K…sleep is for the weak.

It is the players largest bargaining chip to get what they are asking for. I can't say the players are opposed to post season expansion, but without proper compensation it does boil down to more work for less pay.

If the ownership group was willing to share some of those gains, it would already be done. I would bet money it isn't the games or the teams, but the lack of cash flowing back to the players.

It's all being fixed. The playoffs will start in August with 50 teams. The fans and the regular season can f*ck off.

Come on, if you want to concede on something big, offer a bigger bonus pool for pre-arb players. That $20 mill comes out to just over half a mill a team.

I disagree with the point of you trying to tell us you aren't taking sides, when you've literally told us you side with the owners.

The nights not over.

I bet he started it with something along the lines of "Listen fuckers"

eeeek

Right, all of us have reading comprehension issues. All of us reading your very pro owner / anti player posts. Gaslight as you may try, but we've spend all winter arguing this shit and you might not think your statements are pro owner, but they very much are. Beyond mere bias towards either side. But here you are again fighting with multiple people who see your statements for what they are. But again, all of us are wrong. Sure, whatever you say.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahah. You're entertaining I'll give you that.

1. What's your point here? The owners deserve a break because there have been times when they've decided to give a player what turns out to be a bad contract? 2. Actually, no you couldn't. It's MUCH easier to put together a list of highly-performing players on a minimum salary contract than it is to put together a list of under-performing veterans on FA deals. 3. It's overpaid, not overplayed. For someone that likes to call out mistakes of others, I'd make sure my own bed is made first.

I feel like if this were true, we wouldn't be in this position. I do somewhat feel like this whole thing is overblown. I do see where both sides are coming from. I don't think raising the min salary to (say) $800k is unreasonable. I am sure there are a share of players who would happily continue on with the current set up. A cancelled season could certainly be devastating to some fringe players. But if the "vast majority" of players were on board with what the owners propose, we would not be in the position.

"If you went and got the next 1,200 best players in the world, the product would suffer greatly. If you handed MLB teams over to any 30 competent businesspeople, the sport would not suffer. Actually, it might improve. It doesn't take a billionaire to leverage a spot in a legalized monopoly with profound built-in revenues. The Yankees are not the Yankees if Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle and Yogi Berra don't win. Without the best players, they aren't in the World Series, and without championships, they're little more than an organization in a big market whose laundry features pinstripes. One would think, then, that a league would recognize that its profits exist because of Shohei Ohtani, Fernando Tatis Jr., Mike Trout, Juan Soto, Mookie Betts, Ronald Acuña Jr., Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and others -- and would see players' concerns about the state of the game not as trivial or excessive or outrageous, but vital." Jeff Passan/ESPN

Just fyi "*The* Ukraine" is the way the Russians would want you to refer to it, as a region that should belong to them. The sovereign nation is just Ukraine.

Maybe you don't see it, but a whole lot of people see that you seem to only pop up on one side of the details, and then revert back to "I don't care who wins". Your statements always seem to be against players (they will fold first, they can't afford hold out, they make tons of money, players aren't self-made, etc) and never against owners. I see the same thing as Kyle does, and many other seem to do the same. Maybe if that is what you truly intend, you should revisit how you make your statements, but they say otherwise.

"Match 31"??? Does Jesse Rogers have @Kyyle23 writing Tweets for him now? @poppysox, make sure you jump on Twitter and call him out. Inexcusable error.

So like, shouldn't Poppysox - who wants us to have as few playoff teams as possible (2) - be pulling hard for the players here if this were about substance on the table other than who gets $$$?

*gasp* I shall clutch my pearls now that I have been called out for a spelling error. Please give me a moment everyone

Lol…wish I would have saw this before I typed up my post. But seriously, imagine hero worshipping these guys.

Sure buddy

DogeCoin and Robux (for the children's videogame Roblox) are currently worth more than the ruble.

Poppysox, this is what they do.

Nobody said anything about hero-worshipping...I said it was not relevant. When people disagree both sides should be free to state their reasons if they choose to do so. The childish name-calling doesn't make someone right in their view. I've stated numerous times I don't care who "wins." I don't really think anyone wins these things. Every time I defend an owner's point of view I am called a lackey or bootlicker or whatever such drivel. Ultimately the fans will pay the cost of whatever cash changes hands. No surprise there.

What does this have to do with labor negotiations? This is anti-owner propaganda having nothing to do with today's issues.

Isn't that simply called "negotiating"? I am sort of tired of people acting like there has to be a villain here. Both sides have demands that aren't being met and want as much as they can possibly get. That's how this stuff goes.

the new Madrigal?

Yeah I voted for Ho Chi Minh because I never liked LBJ.