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Businesses around the stadiums, spring training and regular season, will be feeling this. There are so many people impacted by this.

The best Trout drawing yet.

They don't deserve to be in business if they can't. Their shitty business model is nobody's fault but their own. It's either that or start lowering prices of necessities.

Walmart employs 1.6 million associates in the US. The $12/hr they moved up to in 2021 is like 24k/year. If you paid 1.6 million people 26k more per year that is $41.6 billion. Their net profit was $14billion globally last year.

Three words I never thought I would say. Go Bernie Go!

At this point, I am not even going to think about transactions until we have a fucking game to watch. Pretty disgusted rn tbh.

This is where the fight should be, if players truly "cared" about the game. The minor league players keep getting fucked.

The deal offered yesterday by the MLB/owners was a significant step in the right direction for a player like this. SO yes, he would have gotten the raise if the PA agreed to it and he actually played in the bigs. Now he gets paid nothing, can't work and is driving uber while the uber-wealthy Max Scherezer's of the league are arguing for higher CBT thresholds so his $43.3M AAV contact can become more commonplace. So yeah, have a little bit of a hard time believing that the PA's stance on the current offer isn't more about the elite players getting max pay as opposed to really helping the little guy (as they claimed). The little guy got a ton of help in the proposed deal they snap-rejected.

So any business that can't affford to pay their staff 50,000 should just quit? That would suck for the world.

It makes me happy to know that Jerry hates Manfred.

Oh man. With all of the time and effort Bernie put into that tweet, he probably doesn't have the time or bandwidth to worry about anything else.

Yawn. This sucks. I totally get the players position. Its a tough spot. I definitely side with them in all of this, but I am able to see both sides. Biggest issue I have is that this started out as being largely about getting the younger players in a better spot. The proposed "best and final" offer from league/owners largely did that. $130k raise for pre-arb players. A bonus pool that never before existed for the best players. Full year of service for the top 2 in ROY to try to help curb service time manipulation. It seems to me like the CBT threshold was the biggest hold up. This isn't impacting the little guy. This is impacting the guys getting mega deals, who are largely the guys at the front and center of this (Scherzer, most notably). Giolito's comments about having a 15-20 year career and wanting to make a change is great and all, but the dudes that really get fucked in all of this are the little guys. Giolito is going to sign a big contract is 2 years that sets him up for life no matter what the new CBA looks like. How about the guys on his team (and many more around the league) that will never get a big FA contract and didn't get a big draft signing bonus? Those are the dude's that have to be scratching their head right now. And the game is predominantly made up of those guys. They just got 22.8% raise. And now they're getting nothing until the big dicks figure it out. They just got one of their limited opening days taken away that they'll never get back. I have to imagine most of the younger players that don't have star upside think the proposal put in front of them wasn't that bad. Its certainly an improvement on the previous CBA.

MLB needs to penalize any team whose announcers sing the Nationwide Jingle.....The Madness needs to end before it begins again.....and Yes I will die on that hill.

This sucks.

Must be a good day for piss bombs as Fabian gets in on the fun.

That's the last thing that will fix the problem.

If they were a baseball team we'd be wanting them to increase salaries and move assets to underperforming stores. We think the Sox earning $200 mil while paying a minimum wage of $500,000 is wrong while Walmart pulls in $14 billion in profit. This world is strange. I'm rapidly becoming a socialist.

I kinda feel sick thinking of all the great little places we have stopped at around Phoenix in spring thinking, and now after COVID and this, probably won't be around next time we go. Yea there are worse things than a business going under going on in the world but FFS all this is so unnecessary.

Hurts younger teams more due to the long term development lost imo.

At this point, Suzuki should say “see ya” and go play in Japan another year.

It's simply a matter of denying large numbers of part-time employees their benefits, leading to oftentimes single mothers working multiple jobs instead of being there for children after school and/or massive taxpayer funded government subsidies for Medicaid, WIC, AFDC, food stamps, etc. Not overextended. Deliberately adopting this hyper profitable business model until someone stops them...which is unlikely with all their PAC contributions to local and regional politicians. Now they're expanding into senior care since so many greeters can't afford to retire, needing work part time to supplement Social Security. Btw, his model is largely a failure in China, where volume and efficiency loses to even lower labor costs for local competitors...with with most workers paid roughly $2-3 USD/hour.

I wonder if Reinsdorf recognizes the irony in this newfound position.

Yeah. They've expanded too much to pay a reasonable wage. They've spread their business too thin.

https://twitter.com/nick_ggtb/status/1499005090774007808?s=21 lol

when you know what words mean.

Then they have either overextended themselves or don't deserve to be in business. Their exploitative business model is not their employees problem.

Math and stuff.

Lies, Lies. He is a billionaire owner.

Now look at all of the most profitable businesses in America and increase those salaries. Go Bernie Go

Fuck baseball.

So tired reading this BS from players also. If they truly wanted to "improve" the game then they'd buy into a salary floor which would then also lead to a cap with it. Pushing the Tax to the higher levels only helps the rich get richer. Force the Pirates, Indians, Rays, Royals, As to spend with a floor.

Think of the minor leagues as a boot camp or war of attrition. Teams don't want minor leaguers to get comfortable because then they won't work hard to get to the next level. Move up or move out. Now I think it's gone a bit too far especially with regards to nutrition but you can talk to big leaguers and they will tell you they loved it because it forced them to get better and get better fast. The players who do the complaining are the ones who never made it.

In Charlotte's case, they are owned by a different group than the White Sox. So, I would infer that their P&L is separate from the SOX's P&L. AFAIK, there is a sporting affiliation between the White Sox and their minor league teams, as the ownership groups are separate. If memory serves, there are a few MLB organizations that also own their minor league teams. St Louis Cardinals are one that own their minor league affiliates. In THEIR case, their P&Ls are tied together in some way. I hope this helps.

Right. There used to be a few (mostly lower level or short season) teams owned by the major league affiliates, but roughly 90-95% were independent organizations who signed renewable affiliation agreements with MLB teams.

I fully expect one of Burger or Sheets is moved for a rental starting pitcher.

Let's start illustrating with a personal anecdote. It was 2019 Opening Day in Cincinnati. Before the Reds hosted the Pirates, Manfred had a press conference. He had a bit of an opening statement, and talked about the annual parade held for the great fans in the city of the first professional team. Then he said -- sort of tongue-in-cheek, though given everything we've seen from Manfred, I think it's pretty clear this was his earnest request -- it was OK to open things up for "some positive questions." Mine wasn't positive. I wondered how, at the time, a system that was paying Tyler Flowers more than eight times more than Ronald Acuña, Jr. was going to be fair for the younger players moving forward -- especially when Dallas Keuchel, who won the Cy Young in 2015 while making the league minimum, remained unsigned into the season in his first foray into free agency. Manfred was visibly upset. "The system in place is a principle tenant that the MLBPA has voted for since my first negotiation which was 1989 and they wanted a seniority-based system," he said. "That's what they bargained for and that's what they have. It's just not more complicated than that." https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/how-rob-manfreds-ineffective-reign-as-mlb-commissioner-led-to-baseballs-disastrous-outcome/

Maybe while we're at it you and Parkman can figure out a fair and equitable way to define "teacher performance," as the best teachers would surely trade that for the historical tenure/seniority system.

They should pay their employees fairly. People who own mega companies should pay a shit ton more in taxes. They aren't "giving" their money to anyone. They are paying back what they owe to the rest of us. We make their business run. If workers had any kind of reliable assistance everyone would be making more money.

Hey thumbs up to that. Hope i didn't come off as a dick. If i did i apologize.

I am so fucking confused with the turn this thread took.

If it’s a significantly shorter season, then I think it blows up a lot of possible trades. Also makes manipulating DK’s innings harder (despite threshold being lowered)

I wish the markets worked based on companies doing the right thing. Apple stock dropped on news it is stopping sales in Russia. Ford stock declined yesterday for the same reason. Seriously anyone who shorts because of a company stopping business in Russia is a unpatriotic piece of shit. Hold those stocks or buy more.

I hate war and war machines.

The return of this thread got my optimism up a bit. Disappointing.

MLB.TV is set to automatically on Tuesday if you're a subscriber, so unless you're extremely confident that a CBA deal is reached Monday, you might want to consider canceling.

If you missed it you are good for now.