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Won't help without management and personal changes. Don’t hold your breath.

What bothers me about this post is it totally absolves the rest of the FO, training staff, and players. It's why I sometimes wonder if the La Russa hire was looked at as a good thing by Hahn and Williams. If the Sox win, great....everyone celebrates, everyone goes home happy. If they lose, it's not about the roster construction anymore, it's now on TLR and his failures in the dugout and keeping guys healthy. When in reality, this roster was flawed entering the season, and obviously still is today. It's not to say TLR isn't a huge problem. He is. You're correct in your use of the clown emoji. But I just don't want people to lose sight of how big of a failure this is across the board. No one should come out clean of this mess, but I fear people will.

It's hard to imagine Rick Hahn doing a worse job of putting this team together.

If they aren't going to play him every day, I am glad then sent Sosa to AAA.

What a bunch of fucking idiots

Look if we aren't going to score runs, we can't give away cheap ones. Even if Moncada keeps hitting like he was prior to his injury, he is still giving top notch defense at 3rd.

Very against Hahn being able to retool. He has zero talent to scout major leaguers. Will always fall in love with players who are older because they are cheaper, and after ten years he’s still Charlie Brown lining up for that football. Maybe a fourth degree would help him learn.

Well at least they would be looking for more power.

No one is happier that Sosa wasn’t productive here than Tony

We are looking for both kinds of players 1B AND DH

Last night was a perfect example of the last two seasons. -Terrible defensive line up costs the starter 2 runs. player playing out of position can't make a fairly routine play. -Base running mistake kills a rally early. -bullpen coughs up the lead after a rally. -Tons of easy/quick outs allow opponents starter to work deep into game -no long balls -multiple defensive outs given away with dropped balls not showing up as errors, but extended innings and allowing extra runs.

I've been an ignorant fool for a long time. These are JR's White Sox. He gets to add Chicago to the game because he has a lease with a stadium he doesn't own in Chicago. They could just as easily be the Nashville White Sox, San Antonio White Sox, or any other city JR wishes to move HIS team. I'm a baseball fan. I've played in over 200 games, attended another 500 or so ( t ball to MLB) and watched too many to count on TV or listened on the radio. I follow two teams in particular. My high school and JR's White Sox. But I've stopped being a fanatic. Being a White Sox fan is like being a fan of a local McDonalds. They are just one of a franchise with a local owner. There are plenty of others that are basically the same. If the customer service at a particular McDs declines because they hired their idiot buddy to manage the store, you don't stop eating at McDs, you just move to a different owner's franchise. If half the staff is out sick and the experience at that store is horrible, you stop at a different one. So JR, I'm sorry but I don't like your franchise much these days. I think you are destroying your location and starting to remind me of Ozzie when he wanted to move to Florida. Perhaps you want to be so disliked by fans the entire city with throw you out and you can move YOUR team to a nice place. Go. I'm past defending, I'm past blaming injuries, I'm way past defending Tony, and I'm well past blaming Tony. I'm finally looking at this as a consumer. Much like you seem to look at this like a personal hobby business for your friends and cronies. I came to Chicago for a visit and for the first time in 50 years avoided attending any games. Instead I played a little golf, visited some friends that I wouldn't have had time for, and enjoyed my stay just fine. Thank you for giving me that gift of time you miserable son of a b****.

That's exactly how I feel about Eloy, too. I don't like the idea on selling low on any of these hitters until they can work with a modern hitting coach. But if they run it back next year with the same hitting coach + medical staff, well... good luck.

I wish he would close up that batting stance a little and see what happens.

He has way more skills than Eloy

Kath HR

It’s been on Hahn since 2013. Most here were bowing at his feet for his ridiculous GM of the Year award after signing Parrot, Mazara, fWAR and Keuchel to long contracts, and extended Ricky. Ryan Pace was cut off after a few years, fellow GM of the year Gar (who unlike Hahn had a winning record and some playoff success) of GarPax once Jerry finally left the day to day with his son. Hahn is not going anywhere until Jerry is no longer President of the White Sox. He will likely outlast Tony. He is far more responsible for this shitshow than Tony, as bad as Tony has been.

Offense vs Defense is an age old argument. I have long thought that if Ozzie had played Anderson in CF most every day over Mackowiak, they would have made the playoffs in 2006.

If they were only going to use him for a weekend, there are guys in AAA who are older and more ready to burn an option on.

You don't let the guy who couldn't construct a roster, before and after a rebuild, do it all over again. Just no. Hahn has to go, he is awful at his job. Until that happens, you can't possibly think about retooling anything.

Our current 1B could be a DH Our now injured starting Catcher is a DH Our current 3B is a DH Our current LF is a DH Our injured starting LF in Charlotte is a DH Whoever plays in RF is usually a DH And then there's Vaughn

“I showed him how he hit in 2019 and I told him, ‘You need to start being that guy every day,'” Menechino said. Great advice Frank

The sun said "oh hell no you aren't sending Tony here"

Let’s be honest…if we didn’t have a team OPS of .683 and have a putrid 59 team HR’s there would be a lot less complaints about the defense. We could have a defense full of GG’s and would still be struggling to win games

Narrator: these are in fact the 2022 White Sox.

And what if they bet on the wrong horses, and guys like Moncada, Robert, Eloy are just wound a little too tight, and will never stay on the field for extended periods of time? This is a results business. Most observers saw the Sox having a window between 2020-2023 based on how contracts are structured and the core ages of this group. We were told, by the front office, that a World Series was the expectation this season. Oh, and this was a franchise that got rid of their training staff last year and spent time in the offseason looking for a new staff....and we've seen how that's worked out thus far. On June 27th, they have the same amount of wins as the Orioles. Since the ASB last year, they are well under .500. Reserve judgment? For what?

Angels with 3 HR's in the inning (so far), the Sox have 1 HR in their last 292 plate appearances

I wonder what it's like to have more than one home run in a week.

if menechino can't be fired into the sun, the moon would work

Playing shorthanded for multiple days instead of just ILing the replacement level 4th outfielder is so very White Sox.

HR Gladney - his 13th of the year. 13 HR's, 8 steals, wRC+ should now be above 100 on the season.

I am NO TLR apologist but WHAT THE FUCK IS HE SUPPOSED TO DO? Everyone else is injured!

Here's the difference, no one else suffers from bad offense. If Yoan Moncada strikes out on three pitches, that doesn't hurt anyone else. If Jake Burger boots a ball at 3rd, the pitcher now has to pitch over it. It adds to their pitch count and gets them out of the game earlier. It forces another bad reliever into the game, or forces a good reliever into throwing even more pitches. It can cost us needed relievers for the next days as we cover the extra pitches and innings. We have already seen the results of horrible team defense with relievers being hurt, sore, and unavailable for days at a time. I would argue guys being sent in risky situations by the 3rd base coach is the downside result of a bad offense. Because we can't score runs in bunches this year, the coaches, are pressing guys into tough sends. Again no one else suffers because of this. You make extra outs, that is it. As for the Vaughn mention, I will simply note that Adam Engel was playing RF a lot more often before he got hurt, and I am sure his defense was fully the reason why.

“I showed him how he hit in 2019 and I told him, ‘You need to start being that guy every day,'” Menechino said. If this quote is real he needs to be fired for saying that alone. This whole organization is a clown show.

Cease and Kopech won't be re-signed. No reason to keep them around unless they're doing a re-tool, and the only way to do that is to dump salary and dig into FA.

It's just so dumb, like I understand that if Lenyn is going to be riding the bench for worse players, then yeah he needs to go back down to keep playing. But if this was the plan all along, why not just promote Yolbert when you needed an INF?

I like the fact that Duncan had 0 experience in analytics or math and is head of the department. I do commend him for taking it seriously however

The White Sox do have an analytics coordinator. Shelley Duncan, who also likely got the job more because his dad was TLR's pitching coach Dave Duncan than because of anything else on his resume. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/a-nerdy-conversation-with-white-sox-analytics-coordinator-shelly-duncan/

And they must like both Country....and Western Music.

Maybe we should bring Palka back. "You see Mr Palka, just hit home runs like you did that one season."

Great job Hahn

Some interesting Moncada statistics (keep in mind this might be because his legs are hurt, as ptatc says below): - GB% at 48.6%, 5% increase from last year - LD% down 12% from last year, at a paltry 15% -MED% (% of balls as hit with medium speed) highest of career at 67% -HARD% lowest at 22% (Menechino mantra: Don't do too much) - O-Contact% (percentage of balls hit outside the zone) has gone up considerably from 2019, 11%! - Z-Contact% (percentage of balls hit inside the zone) has gone down considerably from 2019, 7%! Yet when you look at his 2019, his Swing% in both outside and inside are similar to this year. Is he sacrificing his power just to make contact? Menechino mantra again? EV in 2019: 93.1 EV in 2022: 87.6 Clearly he is swinging less hard to make contact. Moncada has been mentally broken from the coaching he has been getting. This is the EXACT same pattern we see with other hitters on the White Sox. Robert's trending in the same direction.

I think we have enough depth at DH already

Stone is insufferable on Twitter. Totally out of touch with the fanbase and ridiculously condescending towards people with valid complaints. We are the ones who fund this shit, and whatever he might think we do have a right to be upset about it.

Yep, apathetic seems to be the more common sentiment and that is where I am as well. But there's usually a layer of anger in there too. I think a lot of Sox fans were really looking forward to a great summer of baseball and then we got whatever this is.

Burger hasn't proven this either, for the record.

I am continuing to move closer to believing that this is as much if not more Hahn than it is Tony....and I am not saying Tony is by any means not an issue. Look at the bench at the end of last night's game. They are currently playing with one outfielder and he is told to not run very hard. Last year Hamilton/Goodwin etc could at least play defense and bring a little spark. There is not one defensive player that is above average on this roster, then you couple that with the fact that there is no power on this team. From the bullpen side they signed a guy that was already injured and a guy that could not go back to back days. And in closing they felt Dallas Keuchel was the answer. Fire Rick Hahn.... Luis Gonzalez would be their best outfielder currently and they saw no need for actual outfield depth. I understand any team could have taken him and didn't but teams like their players and Gonzalez wasn't moving the needle for them but for a team that had developed and brought him up and had no other outfielders they let him walk....stupid.

I'm actually ok moving anyone not named Vaughn/Robert, including Anderson. They're right back where they were in 2016.

Unwilling to part with: Cease, Kopech, Bummer, Vaughn, Robert, Anderson Only willing to part with for a very hefty price: Giolito, Lynn, Hendriks, Graveman, Lopez Willing to drive to the airport: Vaelsquez, Cueto, Foster, Crochet, Lambert, Ruiz, McGuire, Zavala, Jimenez, Harrison, Engel, Pollock Would say I'd drive to the airport but would drop off in Englewood at 2am: Garcia