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Please, Jerry, for the love of everything that is good, sell the team.

Stares longingly at San Francisco

Hahn should be fired solely on the fact that the Tiger bullpen is better than ours.

A little reminder next season if they start slow again....there's always the chance if you play better late in the season that the team you are chasing is the hottest team in baseball.

1-0 seems insurmountable.

Will there really be comprehensive change if they miss the playoffs? I have doubts.

This is the game that never ends Yes, it goes on and on, my friends

This mid-off sure is something.

I was also on team Valentin. Also that pornstache was the stuff of legends.

Panigua was 2003. His infamy has lasted a lot longer than his time on the roster (1 game).

Celebration day at my house when he is out

Yep, I hope the new GM blows it up. They’re so far away from being a true contender.

Reinsdorf has gotten us to where he hate all things White Sox. Former players stay away.

There’s something quite fitting about Pilkington pitching so good on a night the Sox basically see their season end.

Truly amazing how much Hahn has messed up this rebuild

Engel better not be back next year. Him being so god awful has hurt a lot this year.

I think you’re too high on this one, I think after this year the $9 million range is likely.

Whoever dubbed him Kendall Walkman was spot on

Agreed, the Sox have spent their money so insanely inefficiently the past few offseasons, that they simply cannot afford a $12m veteran role player. At all.

You're not going to get a pitcher with better upside in FA for $10M.

Go with Romy

You haven't been watching the Sox play the Royals this year, have you?

Just send him home. See ya in February.

Boy I saw that grounder and initially thought GIDP for sure

f*** these pieces of s%*#

Fire everyone

Found this topic on page 4 That's too fucking low Just a reminder to Fire Frank M!!!

I can’t say this enough, put them with a legitimate and professional coaching staff.

Kopech strikes me as a guy who won't ever be healthy. I am very concerned about Kopech, Gio, Eloy, Moncada, and Robert being championship caliber players. I would almost bet against them being healthy or stars.

This must JR directive to finish in 2nd place and keep them wanting more…..ass ?

Yea, might have been nice to have Cease and Rodon as a one two punch, at the top of the rotation, this year.

That's only because they are a small market. They never really get credit for being a solid organization.

This. I don't get the missing the playoffs mentality. I guess that's the adopted Sox fan mentality. I'm not in the boat of anything can happen in the playoffs but I think you have to have a habit of winning to make the post season. Not making the playoffs with hope for changes is like an NFL fan of an 8-8 team that makes the post season getting pissed off because 6-10 would be a better pick in the draft. Winning needs to be a habit even if it's not the way you wanted it to pan out. There should have been a major change during the season that so far has worked out for 2 teams. If you look at the wild card standings I wonder how many of their fans have the attitude well lets miss the playoffs in hopes of major changes? I wonder how many Padre fans are thinking that? It's the pissed off fan mentality and nothing more. There's plenty of knee jerk reactions to go around in this forum. What you see now isn't really much different in this organization going back to the turn of the century.

WE'RE ON THE VERGE OF GAINING A HALF GAME ON THE TWINS!!@!

Sorry for the long post - been thinking about this a bit, but I've been noticing something a little bit different with Gio's mechanics... specifically on the finishing side. Long story short, it seems like in 2020 (didn't look at 2021), his follow-through was much leggier - as in, he would land and follow through with a much more pronounced knee bend on his front leg. I have no expertise in pitching mechanics, but I do know that: 1) stride and landing are crucially important to velocity; 2) sometimes upper body issues can manifest themselves in the legs (some form of compensation). Below are 4 screen shots from home starts - two from his 2020 no hitter, and two from 2022 against the Angels. 1) 2020 Fastball: 2) 2022 Fastball: I've tried grabbing exact same frames, but I'm dealing with YouTube screenshots here (no frame-by-frame available), but in watching / pausing many times, it looks like his motion in 2020 was more toward home plate, and 2022 seems to be more toward the first base side / torsional (less longitudinal) 3) 2020 Changeup: 4) 2022 Changeup: Here's the main difference I see. In all clips of 2020, you can see the landing and finish like you see above in image (3). In 2022, his finish is much more straight-legged. To me (again, I'm NOT an expert in baseball mechanics... just hockey stuff), this suggests either a) less of a forward push off of his back leg (less momentum to absorb), or b) more strain on his knee, or c) I don't know wtf I'm talking about, but it looks different anyways. To me, the biggest outward symptom of Gio's 2022 season has been a dip in velocity from 94~97 to 90~93. That's either indicative of aging (not likely yet at age 28...?), injury (maybe), or a change in mechanics. No, you don't NEED velocity to succeed, but if you've built your repertoire based on throwing at one velocity and are now throwing softer, you're going to need to change something.

Regardless of whether Luis Robert can play or not, is active or not, in the next few days this team needs to shut down Pollock for the season before he accumulates another 31 plate appearances and White Sox Ed McMahon (Rick Hahn) hands him another $1M check. Pollock has played the second most games on the team, and as a result will collect $12M - $13M ($14M if he squeezes in 81 more plate appearances). The bench of Leury, Grandal and Pollock will cost the Sox over $37M in 2023, more if the other two players make over the minimum. And you thought Hahn's bullpen budget was ridiculous. After the acquisition, Parade Boy crowed "Obviously, AJ has the ability to help us in right field." Obvious to who exactly? Pollock entered this season as a 34 year old with exactly one start in RF over his major league career. AJ has a terrible arm and not much range, and as a result started nearly exclusively in LF last season (92 games in LF, 5 in CF) because a competent organization deemed LF as AJ's one acceptable defensive position. LF, the position the Sox already had multiple pretend outfielders lined up to play, and not enough slots to play them. So it wasn't until after AJ's Opening Day 2022 fiasco, a few days after Hahn acquired him after doubling down on the Kimbrel fiasco to kick off "The Offseason of George", the brain trust realized "Hey, AJ has no business in RF. He is barely adequate in LF." This is the norm, not the exception, as to how the Chicago White Sox have been managed the past decade. It is Exhibit 179 of why Hahn also needs to be purged on October 6, 2022.

Losing to the Rockies and Tigers at this stage of the game is unacceptable in winnable games. A good team doesnt allow that. This is not a good team.

99% + probability the lone path toward fundamental change is Jerry is no longer running the show. Doesn't matter whether Hahn or Tony goes, because Jerry will sign another Hahn and or Tony (cheap, unqualified, bottom perhaps even bizarre candidates) and not make the overall teardown of the organization which has been solely needed for at least a decade.

32nd game this season the Sox lost to a team with a losing record. And it is the 71st time in 145 games they have scored three runs or less.

Somebody better be held accountable for this disaster of a season.

I’m not going to deny that the roster construction of this team is awful. But if they re-sign 36 yr old Jose Abreu over trading 25 yr old Andrew Vaughn, they are the dumbest fucking team in baseball. Eloy needs to DH. Vaughn needs to play first base. That part isn’t difficult to figure out. The rest, I’ll leave it up to the “experts”.

Good teams dominate bad teams. Average teams lose to bad teams. We're an average team.

I voted miss the playoffs. I want this season over as soon as possible and hopefully everyone fired. These guys can barely hang with the Royals and Tigers, I’d rather not see them get embarrassed if they snuck in

Cairo is managing this team well in Tony’s absence. If TLR had quit midseason than we would be in 1st place. He gave away too many games and we had to play catch up.

This goes back all the way to last season. The Sox hit 4 homers against the Yankees in the FoD game with Cairo as manager. Tony wasn't there against the Rangers and the Sox scored 8 runs. Before that game they had scored 5 runs in 3 games. Tony's mere presence sucks the life out of the offense.

Leury’s like “that guy’s pretty good.”

This injury was suffered on August 12. The strategy of not putting him on the IL has allowed him to play in 12 of the team's 28 games since then, with a .194 average and a .515 OPS in 38 plate appearances.

"The soreness will escalate" is also a good 2022 White Sox slogan.

Joe Mauer 8 years, $184 million Carlos Correa 3 years, $105.3 million (opt outs after Years 1-2) $35.1 million/year Byron Buxton 7 years, $100 million Josh Donaldson 4 years, $94 million The deal also includes an $8 million buyout of a $16 million club option for a fifth year. Erwin Santana 4 years/$55 million https://m.startribune.com/twins-land-free-agent-shortstop-carlos-correa-in-stunning-105-3-million-three-year-deal/600157495/ https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33543369/sources-carlos-correa-minnesota-twins-agree-3-year-1053-million-deal-opt-outs