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There you have it. Rick is hoping another teams GM will have an idea how he can help make Ricks team better.

Trading Liam, and losing Abreu in the same offseason, when the Sox are still in “win-now” mode sends an awful message. The only reason they would move Liam is money. I can’t seem them getting an offer that would just be a no-brainer where someone is offering a vast overpayment in players for Liam…so you’re moving him because of payroll restrictions, which only exist because of the owner.

I would be scared to give him a 1 year 18.5 m offer in case he signed. Would totally derail some bullpen signings.

I read a tweet a guy said he was laughing at a kid because the kid still believed In Santa Claus. Then he realized he was a Sox fan who still believed the Sox would sign a top tier FA, and realized they were no different.

Elvis Andrus is not good, please remember this.

Hold on...louder for the filters... F U C K Jerry

Can’t imagine how fun it must be to be a fan of 1 of these teams that actually participates in the big free agent signings….

Couldn’t disagree more. With the insane contracts these SS are getting, his two years at a modest salary make him extremely attractive to teams.

I’m hoping the crazier these contracts get the more it’ll force/push Jerry to sell.

Great. Someone who should be a DH and will get hurt. He'll fit right in!

f*** Jerry.

Good god is that a massive undervaluation of Anderson.

But wait, I'm confused. Is this the type of move a team in a "multiple championship window" makes? Oh, I forgot. Jerry still owns the team. He sabotaged the whole thing by a) letting Hahn run the rebuild, b) forcing LaRussa on the organization, and c) taking his chips off the table from windfall media and sponsorship deals while cutting payroll. I'm an idiot. Wait until I give them an earful at SoxFest. WHAT?!? I'm out of here.

Why add talent in your contention window, when you can subtract talent and save money? This is a no brainer to Jerry’s wallet. At this stage, every Sox fan should be pissed. I can’t believe we endured that dogcrap rebuild just for Jerry to cry poor when it’s time to compete. Jerry, do us all a favor and sell the damn team.

wow, got half the board pushing for a TA trade. sad!

I’m so over Yaz, but adding a catcher and not addressing OF feels very White Sox.

Dude put up 4.5, 2.4 (6.5 pace), & 4.7 win seasons from 2019 to 2021. Last year he put up 2.0 fWAR in about 2/3 of his normal playing time, so effectively would have been on a 3.0 win pace. However, in the 163 plate appearances last year before his groin injury he had a 157 wRC+ and looked legit awesome. When he returned, he had a 65 wRC+ over his final 167 plate appearances with only 1 HR and 4 2Bs during this stretch. Any person who actually watches our games could see he didn’t look right when he came back whether it was due to the groin injury and/or off-field stuff (see cheating scandal). As such, there is zero reason to think he’s not a ~4 win player heading into 2023. And let’s say he’s a 4 win player moving forward. At $9M/win, you’re looking at ~$46M in surplus value over the next two years. Additionally, you’ll also have the right to QO him after the 2024 season. Let’s say Tim rejects and the team ends up with a pick. That would add another ~$4M in expected value and you’re now looking at ~$50M in total surplus value. For me to trade him would require a legit blue chip prospect (55 FV) in the 25 to 45 range of the top 100 as the centerpiece and he would have to be of the positional variety. If I’m not getting a 55 FV guy like you’re suggesting then I’d need two 50 FV guys in the 50 to 100 range to headline a deal. One generic top 100 prospect does not cut it for a player as talented as Tim, not with the track record he’s had over the past four years.

It's possible to squint and see a path where the Sox end up with Glebyr & use some of the savings from that deal to sign Nimmo, but it's the White Sox so of course nothing like that will ever happen

Aaron Judge, Cody Bellinger, Michael Brantley, Joey Gallo, Kevin Kiermaier, Andrew Benintendi, Brandon Nimmo and a slew of others are all available. The Sox could have plenty of OF's if they wanted them. Trading their closer to fill that hole is only necessary if you aren't willing to spend money. Stop justifying things that shouldn't be justified.

Nailed this one from downtown.

This is not accurate. He waited until the next signing period because no teams had much money left in the one where he was declared a free agent. He made multiples more money by waiting to sign, not because there was some vast conspiracy to stop him from signing early.

The White Sox made it seem like if fans waited through a rebuild the days of White Sox half assing would be over and the team would spend like a team in search of multiple championships. But if you bought it, the joke is on you. Nothing has changed, and nothing ever will. Sure, the payroll is a bit higher, but, due to many front office mistakes, not high enough to win one championship unless everything goes right, and how can anyone not willing to get into luxury tax territory think they will ever have a reasonable shot at multiple championships?

Can we stop bitching at each other.... we're here to suffer together

What’s the chances that each one of them is @Orlandoand @adammaloney just echo chambering themselves? I’ll go with 99%.

They know nothing

If the Sox salary dump Yoan, I think I would lose all faith in the direction of the Sox. From a player profile standpoint, Sox need more guys like Moncada, not less.

DFAing Grandal makes absolutely 0 sense at this point. Give him at least 2 months to see if he can regain his pre-2022 form. Cutting him for 18 million would be asinine. Now if you can have a team pickup some of the salary, that's a different story.

If the Sox are addressing Catcher, glove first back up type should be the call. Murphy would cost too many assets, Contreras throws well but the rest of his defensive profile is not so hot, and he is expensive. And paying an aging Salvy what you would have to pay him should be a fireable offense.

Easy - Trade for Salvy and put him out in LF on the days he’s not catching.

I expect nothing and still anticipate being disappointed.

This is why the manager hire is so vital. We know that Yoan is in there somewhere. Ricky found him. Tony lost him. Now it's up to Pedro to dig him out

Disclaimer just in case: In no way am I being serious.

It makes absolutely no sense. I think he’s mad people are “blocking” his dream of acquiring James Outman.

See this is bullshit. It isn't that Sox fans don't WANT their team to spend like this, or think they CAN'T. It's that White Sox fans KNOW that this franchise WON'T spend like this, so it really could be one bad contract that fucks this franchise for a decade. Stating it like this is a slap in the face to the intelligence of White Sox fans. Just because we don't come out and give the long explanation every time that a contract is discussed doesn't mean that Sox fans don't get it.

But what do they have to show for it other than a really cool World Series run?

yeah...anyone who has an account on soxtalk and POSTs somewhat regularly being called a casual is the biggest case of message board virtue signaling I can imagine. All hail Ray for being a REAL DIEHARD

Trade TA and than go sign Correa. Not saying Sox will do it - but I could support a scenario where that happened.

One day... this will be us as fans. Maybe in 10 years, maybe in 5, maybe when I'm 80... but I know one day we'll land a big fish. I'm sure there are plenty of weirdo's out there in white sox fandom gasping a sigh of relief as they laugh at those owners who spend.... "Duhhhh, a lot of big contracts end up bad. That would set us back a decade." Meanwhile the White Sox strategy has set them back a century.

And I would say it’s the opposite for me. He’s getting paid way too much the next two seasons to be an issue on and off the field

So the rate for an Old Ace on a short term deal is 43 mil a season now. And people were complaining about 8/12 mil a year for Clevinger...?

I would take Verlander for sure, even for the extra millions on the front end. The dude basically has no injury history outside of the one TJS, and gives you 200 innings no matter what.

Hawk approves.

As I said before, you don't really have a choice. Tony and his boys burned this down to the ground where there is no value to be had almost anywhere. You let your most consistent hitter walk for free anyway. Your best bet for the future is letting your foundational guys see if they can rebound to the point where they are good again and/or worth something again.Maybe one or two of them rebounds and the rest are really done, which gives you the basis for a rebuild. Maybe things go back to normal because Tony was the worst possible scenario. Maybe everything really is a 5 standard deviation worst case scenario. But you don't really have a choice if you want to get the most value out of this mess.

I wish I lived in the universe where the Eddie DeBartolo led group was allowed to buy the White Sox.

Q and Cueto are the definition of old blood in this example.

My expectations are low and I plan on being disappointed.