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That's 150 innings we won't get back....

Which is why you need to trade Cease. Just a complete waste to waste him on a team with no hope.

It's not just the pitching staff. I think the Sox have got like 10 legit big leaguers on their entire roster, and not all of them are good. (Bummer, Cease, Kopech?, Crochet?, Santos?, TA, Moncada, Vaughn, Benintendi, Eloy.) The other 26 guys are a mix of prospects and roster fillers. Mostly the latter.

So far nothing the franchise has done since the hiring of Getz has improved the situation one iota. Addition by subtraction would have worked by sending Grifol out the door and of course hiring Getz was probably a big mistake.

Par for the course………..cheap uninspiring hire with no real experience for job hired.

Or playing for the Sox sucks that much he'd take a pay cut to go somewhere else.

Thank god. I would say good luck to that piece of s%*# but I wouldn't mean it at all.

Just sign some bounce back candidates and hope you can extract some value at the deadline. Lost season anyways.

Yeah, he’s not getting that done. Not even a proven, great GM could do it.

Sox have 1 starting pitcher now. Is this "good luck" for Getz?

I wouldn't' sign him to that right now if I was the White Sox and I wouldn't sign that right now if I was him. You don't sign him right now because what if he has a setback - you've added $8 million and gotten nothing out of it. I wouldn't sign that right now if I was him because I might find a better offer after the 2024 World Series once I do a throwing demonstration in the offseason, depending on who needs pitching and how the market goes. All this went out the window today, no one has any real motivation to do anything here until he's doing a pitching demonstration and hitting the high 90s again.

You could sign him to a 2 year deal where he gets very little year 1, and then $8M in year 2. And if I could bet on it, I would bet the Sox come to some sort of agreement like that.

Best thing for all concerned, if Liam really wants to return to the organization he'll have an opportunity to work out a new agreement. And this gives the Sox some "financial flexibility" (so they can waste it on injury-prone, retreads and stiffs) ?

Wonder if they would Friday night news dump the TA decision. One way or the other, some aren’t going to be happy. The Hendriks news was pretty obvious.

Love Ramos.

TLR convinced Jerry to spend 15 million dollars on Leury fucking Garcia. His influence on JR is immense.

SSHM of all people white knighting (no pun intended) over Bobby Knight is... certainly something I did not see coming.

What they meant was working on their defensive reactions for all future pressers.

Couldn't break plane of 2B before a pitch though...

Sox did make 4 roster moves today ? 11/02/23 RHP José Ureña elected free agency. 11/02/23 SS Elvis Andrus elected free agency. 11/02/23 RHP Bryan Shaw elected free agency. 11/02/23 C Yasmani Grandal elected free agency.

Jim Bowden is bad, but he literally didn’t connect the Sox to any of the top 40 FA

OMFG TLR is still involved with decision making FML.

Like you and like most seasons since 1993 I didn’t watch a second of it. TV Ratings matter to indicate how much interest general fans have. Forty years ago, like the Kentucky Derby or the Super Bowl, many everyday wouldn’t follow MLB games every day (or horse racing or NFL), but would generally flip on the WS (and KD and SB). Now nobody gives a rats ass except for the SB. I don’t believe analytics played a role, but do believe less people watching games locally (minor leagues contraction) and playing games (pick up games, organized leagues) has played a role. Much of our recent immigration is from Latin America which has a baseball tradition. Growing numbers of people each can’t access games anymore (games all on cable) and after years of this you shrink collective interest. Out of sight, out of mind. The NFL could make a lot more money short term like the MLB and other leagues did and start putting all games on cable or pay per view, but they are smart enough to know having 95% of your games available for everyone is the best way to sustain and grow your business. Teams from the NBA and NHL have started to shift some or most games to over the air broadcasts with much success. The Las Vegas Golden Knights have more than doubled their TV viewership over last year shifting to a VHF station. https://www.ktnv.com/news/golden-knights/vegas-golden-knights-tv-ratings-more-than-double-from-last-season-with-scripps-sports-new-data-reveals The Sox were greedy and stupid shifting all games off of WGN. In a generation, they will be lucky to draw over 1 million fans if they continue down this path, and they will blame everyone on Earth except themselves for what they had wrought.

I have no issue with this. Analytical type from outside the org. Player development directors rarely have experience because they get promoted to other jobs generally He also has a connection with Walt Jocketty who hangs out with Jerry Reinsdorf and Tony La Russa….

https://www.yahoo.com/news/course-tv-ratings-diamondbacks-v-210653982.html This writer argues it doesn't matter one iota.

White Sox are too high

Ctrl - C Ctrl - V Will save you some time this off season.

Nice to see his mom can work the Internet.

Surround yourself with people who are better, smarter, and more capable than you are is an old business adage. For Getz that is so easy an assistant college coach and high school coach with zero MLB experience meet the criteria.

Getz must be self aware of how he (undeservedly) made it through the ranks, and now feels like he has to pay it forward by bringing someone unexperienced (even by his standards) to fill his position. That idea of finding the next Getz makes me sense to me than any other reason. You could find a lot of other cheap options who have atleast coached one day in a ML system.

My question, as usual with the Sox: Was Paul Janish even in the conversation for any other MLB team to take any sort of development role, let alone the head of player development for an entire organization?

The bar is low enough that seeing no Royals connection or promotion from within has me open minded.

According to some national "specialists" they would say this team is a sleeping giant. Lmao.

The Sox were ranked #2 in the 2022 version of these power rankings. So in conclusion: these lists are fucking stupid. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32515195/way-too-early-2022-mlb-power-rankings

Fun little org highlight reel for the Sox MiLB all stars lineup: C : Xavier Fernández (AA/AAA: .301/.376/.517, 99 G, 15 HR, 56 RBI, 48 R, 41 BB) 1B: Tim Elko (A/A+/AA: .295/.347/.527, 131 G, 28 HR, 106 RBI, 80 R, 38 BB) 2B: Mario Camilletti (A/A+: .279/.429/.362, 111 G, 3 HR, 63 RBI, 72 R, 98 BB, 1 SB) 3B: Brooks Baldwin (CWS No. 30) (A/A+: .269/.349/.460, 93 G, 15 HR, 58 RBI, 63 R, 42 BB, 22 SB) SS: Colson Montgomery (CWS No. 1, MLB No. 17) (ROK/A+/AA: .287/.455/.484, 64 G, 8 HR, 37 RBI, 51 R, 56 BB, 2 SB) OF: Jacob Burke (CWS No. 20) (A/A+: .294/.392/.439, 85 G, 6 HR, 40 RBI, 63 R, 36 BB, 19 SB) OF: Wilfred Veras (CWS No. 21) (A+/AA: .286/.324/.466, 130 G, 17 HR, 93 RBI, 75 R, 28 BB, 24 SB) OF: Terrell Tatum (CWS No. 19) A+/AA: .248/.367/.367, 125, 6 HR, 51 RBI, 89 R, 100 BB, 47 SB And pitchers: RHP: Connor McCullough (A/A+: 8-8, 4.29 ERA, 113.1 IP, 130 K, 25 BB, .227 BAA, 1.07 WHIP) LHP: Tyler Schweitzer (CWS No. 25) (A/A+: 7-4, 3.94 ERA, 107.1 IP, 121 K, 45 BB, .227 BAA, 1.30 WHIP) RP: Ben Beutel (A: 7-4, 2 SV, 3.12 ERA, 52 IP, 47 K, 15 BB, .258 BAA, 1.25 WHIP) McCullough and Beutel were both UDFAs in 2022, so that's pretty cool. Full list with player blurbs: https://www.milb.com/news/chicago-white-sox-2023-organization-all-stars

Now that he's won a World Series in an odd-numbered year, yes.

They improve 15 games, they win 76. That;s a good year for Rick Hahn, but really no one else.

They had 20% of the list last year and he’s worse now than when he was with the Sox. Does Garfein think shortstop and third base don’t need fixing? Left field is solid? There are too many holes on this team. They are not getting filled.

And as we all know, Tony is still very involved

Oh, so it isn't Hugh's brother.