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Orioles make too much sense, IMO. I like the idea of the Sox getting some of their close-to-the-majors guys, because they can’t really develop the ones far away.

Whatever do you mean???

India would be a terrible move for the white Sox. Good but not great player with his mlb control already burning away. If they got India, they’d also need a guy like Cease.

This right here x100. Firing Renteria and bringing in a corpse who lives by baseball’s silly “unwritten rules” broke the spirit of this team. It was an energetic, fun, “change the game” kind of a team under Renteria and I truly believe they would have been much better off leaving him alone and bringing in some pitching reinforcements. It wasn’t Renteria’s fault that the major free agent signing at the time, Mr “Winning Culture” Dallas Keuchel s%*# the bed in the playoffs against Oakland.

When your bar is "at least he got up off his seat,"....oh boy.

I believe Chris Getz should have scheduled a press conference welcoming the new members of the coaching staff and his other significant FO hires, followed by his vision for the offseason, 2024 and for the next 3-5 years after having a few months to assess the situation in his new role. Then his answers to follow up questions would have context vs. people speculating what he plans to do to improve the team. Ten years of Hahn created a Chernobyl type situation. Most reasonable people are willing to give Getz slack and time if he is honest and communicates a reasonable plan and timeframe.

Lmao come on. That's just ridiculous. His lowest fWAR the past 3 seasons was 3.7, which was last season. Somehow he has zero trade value now?

Given the current state of the organization, I think it would be really risky to hold Cease until the deadline. One serious shoulder or elbow injury and you’re left with nothing.

That’s their problem then. Cease is durable, has good stuff, and is relatively cheap for the next 2 seasons. Any contender should want a guy like that in their rotation.

There are I think 5 active threads right now where this could go. As far as I can tell it is easily the most popular answer to the original post.

And a pinch of Gonorrhea. Say what you want about Renteria, but at least his teams played hard [remember ''Ricky's boys don't quit?]. While many of his managerial moves literally made me scream, his marginally talented teams were more fun to watch than almost anything I saw in the 2023 White Sox.

On a team loaded with unlikables Grifol is about as likable as Root Canal with a case of swollen hemorrhoids thrown in.

One would also think the O’s bowing out of the playoffs quickly after a fantastic season might make them hug those prospects a little less tight. I think they’re far and away the best fit for Cease.

Absolutely — plus it’s a clear sellers’ market now, meaning the upside from the deadline represents less of a premium than in an average year.

I don't see trading Cease as a good idea right now. Are we trying to lose 110 games - so we can tank for an at best 10th pick in the draft due to the large market rules? And it's selling low on Dylan. Let him start the season with the Sox, and it's probably only going to increase his trade value. Possibly in a massive way. Like it or not, his trade value is probably a small fraction of what it would have been a year ago.

Failing to trade everyone except Robert is malpractice. This team will lose 100+ next year with or without Cease. Get max value now.

Half those teams weren't in the market at the deadline. They were actually smart not to trade him then.

Just makes too much sense for both sides. The only challenge is Elias has been very measured in terms of go for it moves, although the team is now clearly in its competitive window so maybe he gets more aggressive.

Just helping folks narrow down teams that might be interested

You would have to think any team trying to win is interested. They should get a decent haul for him.

It was never a team. It was a bunch of individuals that didn’t like each other. Watch the Anderson All Star announcement, nobody cared. They didn’t like him. Roberts couldn’t be bothered to learn the coaches names. Moncada was more interested in partying. Middleton told us on his way out. It was a cultural disaster. And they weren’t talented enough to overcome lack of teamwork.

This is the crossover with politics, you can get away with garbage statements if a reporter isn’t willing to ask obvious follow up questions.” ”He got a great opportunity, one we couldn’t offer him, so we had to let him take it” ”excuse me Mr. Boyer, I’d just like to ask a follow up. The White Sox are in the third biggest city in the country and they’re this broadcasters hometown team. How could the same job in Detroit be a better opportunity than his job here?”

It’s so true. Pedro is somehow worse than 80 year old dude who can’t stay awake in the dugout. Just mind boggling that he wasn’t canned after last year.

https://www.futuresox.net/2023/11/12/chicago-white-sox-40-man-roster-decisions-and-2023-rule-5-draft-implications/ James Fox of FutureSox has a thorough breakdown.

Vazquez wasn’t that bad. There will always be a demand for pitchers who are durable and have the stuff that Cease has. Add on the fact that he has 2 years of control left and they should be able to get a nice haul for him.

Then I hope October pain is something they enjoy. Again.

Veeck understood baseball, they had a solid GM in Roland Hemond. They made solid trades and created a great team. Gossage was the one piece of the future they sacrificed, but they assessed they likely couldn’t afford to resign him after he became a free agent post 1977. In 2016, Hahn is clueless, but at least had multiple valuable pieces to trade. Today, Jerry has Tony and Getz running the show, and only have Cease to trade (trading Robert is asinine) and a couple good prospects in a sport you have 26 players.

Makes perfect sense for their window in that division which might close in a hurry if roster is pushed above $120 million or so...and they have to start unloading Santander types. That's probably two years away or so...though. Always depends on health. Catchers don't have infinite shelf lives anymore.

Then they’re a bit ignorant to how trades work. Cease isn’t going to be given away for nothing. All that matters is what the Orioles FO views his value at. They got slapped in the playoffs because they failed to add to rotation talent, and it’s not exactly like there is a can’t miss option in the FA pool. Cease had a rough year last year but the stuff is still there and his 2022 performance was elite. If they want him, pay up.

Yep, that was bad especially as we probably would have won the division for 2 years in a row. It’s amazing that there are any White Sox fans left at all as JR has crapped all over us for 42 years.

Did you read the Orioles board linked? They don't even want to trade Kjerstad straight up for Cease. If I were not a fan of the Sox I wouldn't be interested in acquiring him for anything more than a bag of baseballs.

Nothing is worse than his being the main driver in cancelling the 1994 season.

Be prepared to be disappointed in the return.

I'd be happy if this team resembled the 1977 team. That was a good year to watch the Sox! I wouldn't give you a wooden nickel to watch this team.

If ever there was a complete housecleaning job needed, this is it. You could see it on the players faces last season, they hated being a member of the White Sox while probably hating each other and the GM hates them too. I’d love to really know exactly how things deteriorated to this level. I would bet that every player is praying that they get traded and I’m joining in on the prayers, I can’t think of one guy that it would bother me if he was traded.

Let us know when AJ has the episode about incidents this past season that he alluded to. Sox are a complete mess. Our favorite team has never had a worse outlook. Even Veeck who had no cash brought in a few stars that could carry a team to respectability like Zisk, Gamble, Soderholm, Spencer et all in 77 and a few others that failed like Bonds, Kessinger, Santo and Washington, etc. This team is void of the kind of talent it takes to win games and apparently has a bunch of losers in the clubhouse. Good luck Getz in fixing this mess of a team. I hesitate to say we need Salvy and some other clubhouse guys cause Abreu was a consummate pro and he couldn't fix it.

I really think something like that makes sense. I’m torn between Cowser and Kjerstad due to his power potential. I know getting more athletic is a priority but LH power should be as well as long as we play at the Rate.

Cowser, Ortiz (if Montgomery cannot stick at SS he can be the guy there defensively, if not he can be 2B) and Povich for Cease. If BAL says no, remind them they won as many playoff games in 23 as the Sox.

I agree, I was going to mention that but it was a little earlier than the All Star break but then again I guess it left a bad taste about TLR among the players, it sure didn’t help and then Yermin was sent down to the minors later on.

Seems like the Yermin incident was when it started to turn.

He has acknowledged in a prior post that the price is lesser after 2023 than 2022.

With his velocity drop and substantially decreased peripherals last year, do you expect the value to be there for Cease? I still don’t.

i thought of that too, maybe there is validity in being the tallest midget

Which makes total sense. There is no need to rush a Robert trade. However, it’s better to move Cease now if the value is there. And no one else really has enough value to matter sadly. Also, no one should be surprised by payroll cuts. No way Jerry wasn’t slashing payroll after a decrease in attendance.

The first step towards recovery is admitting that there is a problem... clearly a breath of fresh air from the previous regime who was constantly trying to blow sunshine up our asses. Reportedly there were multiple cancers in that clubhouse last year, and I have long believed that TA was one of them. I hope they don't trade Robert, but I don't consider him untradeable if the price is right.

I just keep checking the obits for good news.

If the Sox get Kiner-Falefa or Rosario at under $10m, I'll be down for it.

Oh, I know. I meant that as “good riddance,” not upset that he’s gone.

Caulfield is in shambles

Everyone is gonna be fast tracked until they decide the window is closed. They can’t even fathom the concept of developing for sustained competitiveness, let alone execute it.