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They got a 55 FV, a 50 FV, a 45+ FV, and an interesting controllable reliever in return. It wasn’t an epic return as the centerpiece was much more floor than ceiling, but I think you and several others are greatly understating its quality.

Look, this could be the crazy time where it actually does happen, but every single time I can recall saying "we should be fine with what we have coming" it has ended up being 100% dead wrong. For whatever reason, it just doesn't happen like this in real life. I remember looking at Reynaldo Lopez, Lucas Giolito, Michael Kopech, Alec Hanson, Dane Dunning, Carson Fulmer, Ian Hamilton, Zach Burdi, and Dylan Cease the same way.

I think the difference is Crochet looks like arguably the best pitcher in baseball right now and is even cheaper than Cease is with potentially three post-seasons to make a difference. I admit that I question how a team will keep him at this level between now and October, but the market for SP is going to be incredibly seller friendly and there won’t be any other starters available with this type of series changing ability. As long as teams feel there is a path to keep him strong until October, I think he will command a return much stronger than Cease’s.

I agree with this, though not sure the deals are “worse” at deadline just harder to materialize. I have a hard time with trading Crochet. It’s insane how good he’s been.

I'm still hoping that the White Sox surprise us and sign Crochet to a long term contract.

Dude, it never stops. That's the business of baseball. Even a team that isn't tanking or rebuilding that has a player headed for FA, and they are not in the playoff race will trade off the assets that are out the door. If we're contending, we add. If we're not going to make it, we dump off the jetsam.

Off Day 4 White Sox 3 Sox pen coughed it up in the 8th and 9th

This is emblematic of the top heavy/no depth system the Sox had at the time. They basically needed to hit on all of the higher ranked prospects, both on the pitching and hitting side, because there was nothing else. Currently, the hitting side still seems like a bit of a mess, but I at least feel a little better about the development and depth on the pitching side. You obviously want high ceiling guys, but at least it's not the extreme quality over quantity approach from the last rebuild.

Pitchers get hurt. Some of these guys will bust. Hopefully most of them develop into guys that help you win. It would be nice to tune into a games again and expect victory on a regular basis.

We're almost running out of synonyms to describe how idiotic Schriffen truly is. I hope he's on the Chris Vosters plan except one year early

When new ownership arrives and builds a competent front office and that also spends money on development and acquiring top-level free agent talent. Until then the only "hope" may be...notice I said maybe, getting as much young talent as possible and hope (there's that word again) it can develop under the current dysfunctional organization. Seriously what else can be done given the restrictions JR has implemented???????????????????????? If there is another avenue I wish someone would explain it to me.

Ky Bush promoted to AAA Charlotte

We also terribly miss timed the vets, along with the aforementioned failure of all three waves at different points. Rodon Abreu and Anderson part 1. All the external prospect additions from 2016-2019. Part 2. Vaughn Madrigal Sheets Burger Collins Fulmer mostly disappoint. Subsequent collapse of Part 3 (other than Crochet now) as farm bottoms out in high 20’s. Grandal Keuchel Lynn Hendriks Pollock Benintendi vet relievers all end up sucking or breaking down.

Wolkow hit another one, this one to RCF. Wonder where he would've gone in this year's draft.

this site has been trying to get through to him for about 20 years now....

I think the potential AL ASG starter should be extended and not traded. The only non arbitration contracts on the books are Benintendi and Stassi. This downright refusal to pay players past their rookie contracts is ludicrous. 29 other teams in baseball would behave differently.

tf does it matter what we call it? The previous group failed miserably. Time for the next guys. This is a business, and if you want to win, you don't build around dog s%*#.

His didn’t have this level of track record a month ago (which is still extremely small) and the innings limit is still a major concern. But all it takes is one team to feel they have a way to manage his innings and utilize him as a weapon come October to get a haul and rumors suggest that should happen given how bad the market it is. And to be clear, you were being ridiculed for this “magical innings limit” crap when the team has already come out and said he Crochet see a reduction in innings in the second half of the year.

Sure, but 3 chickens at the expense of 15 eggs? it is far cheaper to properly develop 15 eggs into reasonably prices chickens than to pay for 3 chickens.

I mean the counter is "white sox non-tanker math": obtain/develop two of the best players/prospects in baseball, then surround them with a whole lotta lopez's, maldy's and phams

He has to keep it up the rest of the season to avoid being non-tendered, imo.

Because sports fandom is a damn addiction. You can't turn away, even though you want to. I said I was going to quit this year but here I am.

Come on White Sox. He just turned 25 last week. Randy Johnson pitched to 45. Kershaw still pitching at 35. Strong tall lefties with good fundamentals can do this for a long time. Why couldn't he be the mainstay of our rotation for ten years? Don't say money. JR has been in top ten payrolls many times including two years ago. Just imagine that rotation...playoff series with Crochett blowing people away, Thorpe driving them crazy Buehrlesque and Shultz blowing people away. Get off the rebuild drug.

I'd say a 55 pitching prospect is like a 45 hitter imo. It was a weak return to kick start the rebuild

Has anything changed such that teams will trade away their best prospects or even their 3rd best? We heard all about all of the great offers for Cease, but in the end we got one player in the back half of the top 100. There are some FOs that have done it in the recent past, but one of those is San Diego and they didn’t. Seattle and Philly are others, but they don’t need pitching. Baltimore and Milwaukee certainly need a starter, but they didn’t get where they are by trading away good prospects. And then there is the timing. If they want to trade him, they should be purely focused on that. But they seem to be prioritizing the All-Star game, which really means they won’t trade him until after that: and then Pedro yaps about limiting workload and they throw him 7 yesterday. All kind of a mess.

When you listen to the broadcast, you are told every White Sox player is a huge stud. It's amazing they ever lose. Schriffen actually said he thought they still had a chance to get in the race yesterday. Love the enthusiasm, hate the BS. It's almost offensive.

I don't want him to go either. He's special. So was Sale.

Mets DFA’d Duke Ellis. He’ll be back.

Even though our team sucks big time, I still wish we had White Sox baseball on off days like this. So to bite the time, post anything random you’d like and enjoy the s%*# show. Enjoy people being stupid on the news:

So that we can look forward to Sheets over there instead?

Nah there was a thread (at least one) with people specifically claiming there is no way he can physically handle more than 75 or 80 innings

Colson dips a few spots to #16. Schultz leaps from #37 to #18, Thorpe up from #52 to #38, Quero up from #92 to #74.

Don't count on being competitive by 2030. Not with this bunch.

Yep. Gotta have the right players at the right time, and the right contingency plan. It's easy for people like me to b**** about it, but the fact of the matter is that it's f'ing hard to get it all right. You have to have so many different roles and so many components of your organization and operation working well, or at least all getting lucky at the right time.

Thome Javy V. Didn't go as planned..

You need guys to run and get the ball when the other team hits it.

At this point - we got to just pray that his arm stays healthy and/or we strike on a team looking to jump the market and get a kick start. Looking in direction of San Diego or Seattle or someone else who wants Crochet not just for the post-season and to get a start on him now, but who might also put a bigger premium on his cost control over next few years (maybe a team like Milwalkee, Braves or Pirates could fit into that conversation.

They certainly seem to have the pitching side of things figured out. Lots a great performances and development going on in the lower levels.

Crochet hasn’t blown past it yet. I seem to remember posters expecting 75-100 innings. I believe you were expecting 150 innings or possibly more. But even Sox mouthpiece Bob Nightengale is now saying that the Sox have a plan to limit Crochet the rest of the way this season, which you kept arguing wasn’t a thing at all. It seems to me that the majority of posters that thought there would be an innings limit were right, but were off on the total number of innings that he would pitch. You were insistent that there was no plan to limit Crochet’s innings because “he’s a freak” and “he’s showing no signs of slowing down” and that his arm can handle it. How does that make you more right than the majority of posters?

He throws plenty hard but I don't think the Sox are gonna take a pitcher. I hope they take Cags but if not they're gonna get a good player at 1-5.

Yeah the idea is to get actual depth so an injury (or in this core's case, injuries) don't absolutely kill you. Hahn had absolutely. nothing behind any of these guys.

We wouldn’t have Cease and Thorpe in the same rotation. Quero, Montgomery, Ramos, and Colas are all far cries from sure things. You’ve been pretty extreme in your views lately… it’s like you’re grasping at straws trying to find a way for this team to hold it together and turn it around. Just accept that we’re going to suck for a while… it’s either that acceptance or a lot of pain resisting the waves.

Great logic since we have Crochet and Robert and we still have all of the Lopez, Moldy, Phams of the world we can handle.

At what point do we stop? When suddenly we have so much talent we win every game, every series? Let's say we trade Crochet for four Orioles prospects. Some of those guys may be close to being ready for the bigs, very close. So if one or two rake, do we then deal them for more prospects? Then if one of them excel, do we trade that guy? So suddenly the Sox are smarter than everybody and have acquired voila a WS dynasty? Oh wait, we had a chance to build on a great team in 2005 and did not.

I imagine if he hits 80 innings this year, we will see him sometime next summer in Chicago.

I am all for the Sox to extend Crochet but if it turns out the Sox do trade him they better get a haul. At least the minors have some arms on the way. 2026 Starters: Thorpe Cannon Grant Taylor Noah Schultz Mason Adams Bullpen :, Leasure, Nastrini, Ky Bush, Jake Eder, Iriarte

None, and that is a reflection of the whole situation. They should have built a winning team around him and didn't. They are in a perpetual state of rebuilding. When they will have a winning team is anyone's guess, but I don't think it will be any time soon. But they do have an announcer that growls.