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I don’t believe Getz to be anti-analytics. He’s clearly trying to execute change in that department to a level that hasn’t been tried before. The bigger concern is does he know what success looks like and will he be capable of replicating it. And that’s why an outside hire would have made much more sense for us. The racial stuff is just silly. Last I checked Maldonado wasn’t white and he was the single biggest leader they brought it. And at the trade deadline, five of the six players acquired were of Hispanic descent. Obviously Jerry is an old school baseball guy, but the Sox have historically been a power oriented club since the mid 90’s and even this recent core was mostly built around power. A bunch of dumpster dives in a lost season doesn’t change that fact. And to be clear, I’m not suggesting Getz appropriately values power (the Fletcher trade still has me concerned in that regard), but I don’t think his goal is to build Jerry’s dream of a bunch of fundamentally sound slap hitters.

We’re talking about Robin Ventura, who didn’t even want to be a manager. Rick Renteria, who was never a serious long term guy. An 80 year old Tony LaRussa who had no business whatsoever being manager. And Pedro Grifol who was flat out bad at his job. None of those guys fit the bill of an up and comer. It’s not like we’re bringing in blue chips who all see their futures go down the drain when they put on the Sox hat. These are trash hires.

I've been a very loyal T Mobile customer in part because of free MLB TV.

I would a thousands times over prefer someone green like Santos to this Angels hack.

It may not seem obvious from our perspective but this could easily be a stepping stone job. Manage here for 2 or 3 years, get experience, the team looks a little bit better under you, and you move on. There's only 30 of these jobs, this might be one of the worst, but guys who look all right in bad situations are getting valuable experience, and it's a decent salary boost.

In no world, does a 'well qualified' managerial candidate look at this organization and ownership, and think to themselves "Now that is a job I'll take if offered." Lets be honest here.

Required Qualifications: A): Will work for Jerry at below market rates. B): See A.

i think jerry had larussa running the org when he was managing, '21, '22... all the free agents we got were LaRussa Guys in one way or another. but the last few years LaRussa's fingerprints have been less on decisionmaking than they were before..so i think the manager hire really is Getz's or at least non-Tony's Our recent moves are so weird , that frankly, they have to be Getz's...they have that mark of innocence to them lol

everyone definitely saw that coming, right?

Sure, except the last 4 managers of the organization, basically had no shot of being a manager anywhere else after their time with the White Sox.

Eh, I’d still take Chicago summers over Miami summers

Launching an app at that price with interest in the team so low is something. It makes the decision to not give them money even easier.

I don't see the next manager lasting more than two years. I think the sticking point in negotiations will be length of contract. I can't believe anyone worth having would come for anything less than a four year contract, possibly five. I don't see Uncle Jerry agreeing to that.

Because Jerry listens to Tony whose opinion trumps everyone and everything.

I don’t think it’s as pathetic as caring what another fan thinks but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. When I get like this about posts I put them on ignore.

Nah, a sober guy does that. He's just a crazy person. The best part of a Nevin hire is that it'd be very easy to clean shop and fire him and Getz simultaneously.

Aren't we done hiring old drunk guys?

You can’t really do better than Bannister/Katz. And lots of GM hire the pitching and hitting coaches themselves, since they affect the entire organization.

I will give a sunshine thought: it's a good thing he is interviewing in person. Likely means he is ready to take on a team. White sox are barely a team tho

I hope that Getz ACTUALLY gets the final say... not necessarily because I distrust him less than I trust TLR, but more because it'll be a sign that there's actually a clear set of responsibilities in the decision-making process. The one thing I can forgive Hahn for is the fact that it seems like key decisions were taken out of his hands after 2020 (cough, cough, TONY). Of course he had more than his fair share of f***-ups, but I want Getz to be able to be judged exclusively on the decisions Chris Getz makes, without the benefit of the "his hands were tied" or "it was really Tony's team" doubt.

I am sad AJ Ellis is not considered. After reading the Soxmachine article I am fairly certain it is Nevin as well.

So it really looks like Caleb will have to learn a totally new offense under a totally new coaching staff in the offseason. The Bears are really setting this kid up for success. Not ideal. Not ideal at all.

It could be a huge competitive advantage if they paid normal industry rates. I wonder if there's collusion amongst teams on this, though.

Let's see what he does with this, because the 2024 White Sox were very, very anti-analytics. Phil Nevin would be an "analytics guys will be locked in the corner over there and we won't talk to them because they don't like bunting" kind of hire. Pedro was very anti-analytics, despite what he said in his initial press conference, LaRussa is anti-analytics, Reinsdorf sure seems to be. It is 100% possible to "Execute change in that department" by making it smaller and less relevant.

With the pay story, this makes sense.

Much as his history has been, Tony ruins everything. https://www.audacy.com/wbbm780/news/local/tony-larussa-speaks-on-recent-report-of-white-sox-for-sale

If I was Venable, I would definitely listen, and then wait for an offer, but the offer would have to be pretty, pretty, pretty good to accept. Market rate or average, why would you come to this mess? You will have other opportunities down the line. OTOH, if you go 58-104 you are a hero. But that’s no fun. Cutting payroll, little chance for the offense to be much better. Most likely trading away your best pitcher….if I’m him I’d wait.

Phil Nevin is late 90s early 2000s old school. Up until he was 28 years old, never hit 10 homers in a season. Then hit 24, then 31, then 41. Hmmm, what was going on around that time? The other thing is, he would obviously be a LaRussa hire as Getz said the hire would have been in uniform during the 24 season. Unless he had a job at Burger King, that wouldn’t be Nevin.

Phil Nevin is exactly who I expect them to hire based on my stereotype of them. They came in last year thinking they would prove the nerds wrong about baseball, that baseball wasn’t built by stats or anything like that, it was built by important men with TWTW. They were going to bring in leaders, white guys who knew how the game was played like Eckstein. “The baseball people are back in charge” was one of their slogans. They overpaid leaders like DeJong, Lopez, Maldonado, and Clevinger. They were going to play “fast.” This setup lost them 121 games. Phil Nevin is most famous in managing for saying after a game he was going to throw at another team then sending in an opener to do that the next day. His teams emphasize bunting, being aggressive, playing fast. He is my joking stereotype for what I think they’re looking for, a guy who can prove that baseball was played correctly in 1978. Nevin is them saying their format is right and they just need more TWTW. Im sure they could find other guys like him, but we already know that’s who he is.

All of this is as exciting as a root canal. You know you won’t be any better but you just hope you won’t be worse off than before but you can’t be sure until the Novocain wears off.

There has to be a better hobby than watching sports. Maybe deep cave exploration.

The crazy thing is there really aren’t any big name high $ managers available other than maybe Skip. Is Jerry really going to make this decision based on like $500k savings? And as soon as I typed that I realized it was a dumb rhetorical question. Of course he will.

Your loss.

As someone who sells said service, this isn't even close to accurate for the majority of people who try it. Heavy gaming is a different story though.

Andrew Vaughn being the best bat on the worst hitting team in baseball history is not some sort of accolade. The reality is he’s a roughly league average hitter who plays a bad 1B and is one of the slowest baserunners in baseball. That is a negative value baseball player and we now have +2,200 PAs to confirm it. Full stop, we should never settle for a below replacement level player just because there isn’t an obvious replacement. It’s the GM’s job to figure out a way to get better production than that and that’s exactly a tall ask.

There was definitely an SNL skit about this involving Will Ferrell and a yoga class, FWIW.

I don't see why Thorpe is the object of such derision not only from you but others . He had 5 straight starts as a 23yr old rookie of at least 6 innings while giving up 3 hits or less and 2 runs or less. I think that was something that no rookie had ever done before in the history of the franchise. I guess it depends on your perspective how impressive that is. I mean I see a guy who despite his youth and relative inexperience pitching against the best hitters in the world and doing better than any rookie in the history of a 125+ year old franchise in those 5 consecutive starts as a very good thing. After all the bulk of his experience the year before was in A+ ball. But maybe that's just me who truly believes that prospect talk nonsense about development not being linear so he could also have periods that weren't so good especially when those not so good results ended with a forearm flexor strain and bone spur elbow surgery. But maybe you don't like the prevailing opinions that because he lacks "stuff" that his command has to be perfect for him to succeed . I guess it's a fundamental difference on how you view prospects and development and being a pitcher vs a guy with a 95+ MPH fastball and pinpoint command needed to keep hitters honest and off your outstanding changeup. Maybe you might also feel it was more of the league figuring him out rather than injury or the variance in performance inexperienced pitchers tend to have. I suppose it's reasonable to have doubts about such things just as it is for me to see hopeful things.

They can't even get good MLB player to work for them. 2 100 loss season and lower payroll for the next 100 loss season. Reinsdorf takes the top and the please just f*** off list. I'd prefer no White Sox team than a Reinsdorf run team. What's the difference? It's a dead franchise.

Ready for work Mr LaRussa!

As an Iowan, blackouts are particularly painful. I wouldn't hold my breath though. They've been talking about removing them for years and nothing happens

Bannister was also very involved in the draft from what was said by the org and reporters. I wonder if he’ll be that involved with intl players.