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Chris Getz sucks, but if I was him, I'm asking for the moon for Robert too. What is he supposed to do, ask for garbage? And if he can't trade him, and Robert gets hurt, so what, the team missed out on garbage. Either they get something good, or he plays and hopefully plays really well so someone will give up something for him. if not, let him go after next season.

"My Black Friday email blast to all the other GMs is set to go out Wednesday afternoon.....there will be some incredible bargains"

I can think of one: he’s terrible.

I think you’re underestimating Getz’s ability to start off with an already low asking price and still end up with a return even less than that.

But if he’s healthy and returns to his 2021 to 2023 form (10.6 fWAR over 311 games or a 5.1 win pace) he’s an incredibly attractive asset. And honestly, we’re talking about $15M in salary for next year. We literally just burned $15M+ to the ground last year by acquiring and giving playing time to Maldonado, Lopez, Clevinger, & Brebbia. Holding onto Robert and betting on a return to form is the best possible way to utilize that money on potential flip candidates even if there is some chance you end up with nothing in the end.

Robert was brutal in 24, but man has this board soured on him. There really aren't any scenarios short of a long term serious injury where I am not retaining Robert for $20M in 26.

You'd be getting two top 50 prospects along with him, and you can move him for more whenever you'd like.

I think holding Robert for now and hoping for a bounce back is as much as a no brainer as trading Crochet. You aren't going to get anything of great value for him. If you are moving him for another player in a similar spot to him (Lux/Bohm/etc) then I'd at least like to see that person extended for a couple years.

Simple answer is there is no oversight on the revenue sharing once it has been shared. And the MLB will never investigate Jerry like they didn't when he hired Getz.

Sox best bet would be to keep Robert and hope he stays healthy and is productive in the first half He could be a strong trade chip at the deadline for a contender in that case Right now I just do not think the returns would be enough to justify trading him

When he plays I expect Robert to play well next year because he'll actually be motivated by something. Money. He has a $20M payday waiting for him. That said I still think the risk of injury is too great (just like it was for Moncada) and they should move on from him now. Don't make the same mistake twice.

Here are some other facts the author doesn't include: The Milwaukee Brewers were 21st in payroll in 2024, at 115 million. They were also 16th in attendance, coming in at 2.5 million fans. They won 93 games and their division by double digits. In 2023, they won 92 games and their division by 9 games. They were 16th in payroll in 2023, and 15th in attendance. The Cleveland Guardians were 23rd in payroll in 2024, at 106 million. They were also 20th in attendance, coming it at just over 2 million fans. They won 92 games and their division. Additionally, the article states: It has been proven time and time again you don't need a payroll in the Top 5 to stay competitive and make the playoffs consistently, but instead a strong organizational philosophy and player development. In the case of the White Sox, it has also been proven fans will attend when a good product is on the field. The organization historically has not held up their end of the bargain. The entire premise of your argument is "There should be a salary cap so teams won't be able to spend as much, and that in turn should make the White Sox more competitive." While that premise is absolutely flawed, even if we used that premise, teams would adapt and spend in other areas of the organization that doesn't impact payroll to give themselves a competitive advantage, something the White Sox have shown absolutely no interest in doing. But keep carrying water for one of the worst owners in sports. You're doing great.

The difference is that Robert has historically been a good player. He doesn’t need reinvention, but rather just adjustments. I do think new voices will help, especially if paired with real analytics and better pro scouting. I can’t stress enough the amount of low hanging fruit that can be quickly fixed by bringing in outside people and ideas. I’m not a Getz fan by any stretch, but I think he is making real structural changes that will bare immediate fruit.

I really don't think Chris Getz (and by extension, JR) give a s%*# about what we think.

Where is this idea that Jerry is just caking off the Sox coming from? Forbes estimates we lost ~$130M over the past four years. The issue with Jerry isn’t that he won’t spend, it’s that he allocates his resources poorly because he’s stubborn, old-school, risk-adverse b****.

The high asking price is to try and fool us into thinking he is a hard negotiator, but all the the other GMs know he will fold.

Clearly. He should be here, squabbling with other posters about Austin Slater instead.

If I’m trading Crochet,I wouldn’t want anyone over the age of 23 coming back to me in any deal.

Most interest quote from the Bowden article: “Teams are lining up for Crochet and the White Sox aren’t trading him unless they land at least two everyday position players they can put in the middle of their lineup going forward.”

For the record, I would rather pay Nicky again than Madrigal.

I sure hope it's the Phillies. Miller, Crawford and Caba are all very enticing.

So the worry here is that the Sox graduate 4 rookies past their eligibility in one year and that, despite 16 first rounders making the list this year, pick 1-10 is not a top 100 prospect. I will point out that Iriarte is close on several lists and that Wolkow, Bonemer, and Grant Taylor all have the tools to be top 100 guys. But sure, the Sox could have zero top 100 guys at this time next year. Anything is possible.

People here laughed a few months ago when I said the Sox farm system is now better than the Orioles. But Orioles fans insisted Elias was going to maintain the farm system at a high standard even while the mlb team was trying to compete and they were no longer drafting in the top 5 every year lol. With Mayo likely to graduate from prospect status by June, they’ll then have just one T100 MLB prospect.

I'm very confused why people are so upset that the GM has a higher asking price than what he will get on November 26th. You'd be losing your mind if he accepted some offer you deem bad right now.

Even with the small sample size, why would you want to change anything, especially now. I saw some people talking about Flus being fired after the Lions game and Thomas Brown taking over. Why put more responsibility on him now, when things seem to be working? Keep him in the OC role. At the end of the year, I would hope they do an exhaustive search for a new HC. If they do, they will find someone more qualified than Thomas Brown. If they want to keep him as OC, great. But the expectations should be raised from Thomas Brown.

Yes, the way to make miserable people to see the light isn't for the White Sox to get better, it is for them to just deal with it.

Sorry that this is in bold, but I wrote it in google docs to check my grammar and spelling, and when I copy and paste it in, it's in bold and I don't seem able to make the bold go away. Sorry, but no statement meant by being bold. "The asking for high returns is similar to what we got last winter about Cease. Other GMs won't offer anything near what Getz is supposedly asking, and when Getz gets desperate he will accept a lower return" "All the talk is what a big return Cease or Fedde will require and then we end up with a mediocre to bad return." "If you could get a weak return deal, like the one the White Sox got for Cease, that's better than winding up with nothing for him." "Seems to be a thing with Getz. We did the same thing with Cease." One of the things that happens on this board is that someone will make a statement, and everyone will run with it and quote it and it becomes accepted as fact. My best example of this is when people used to complain about having Sheets or Vaughn in the outfield, and they would state that having Sheets/ Vaughn in the outfield, that they were more likely to not call a fly ball and therefore collide with Robert and injure him. This was stated over and over: “Bah, bah and he’s a risk to Robert out there. Or “He’ll injure Robert” And it happened so often that this stupid supposition became accepted as fact, quoted continually as fact as people complained about Sheets’/ Vaughn’s bad defense in the outfield. Yes, they were bad defenders out there, but the idea that they were more likely to collide with Robert was just ridiculous. The newest supposition that now seems to be taking hold is that Sox/ Getz lost the Cease trade, and that it’s a fact. There’s no way that saying the Sox lost that trade can be taken as fact and, to me, it seems very likely that the Sox may have won that trade. Right now, I see that trade is looking as 50/ 50 either for the Sox or for the Padres depending on the health of Thorpe’s arm this next year and going forward. There was a 5 game stretch where Thorpe, as a rookie, had an ERA of 1.23. Certainly better than anything Cease did his first year with the Sox, showing outstanding potential and promise. One could make the argument that with Thorpe alone the trade could be a win for the Sox. Of course, it’s early. And a bigger of course is that a five game stretch means very little, but so does half a season. So to my point: there’s a long way to go before this trade can be judged good or bad for the Sox But . . . if you add in the three other players who also came with Thorpe, two also full of promise and potential, this trade is looking very reasonable. In my opinion, at this early juncture, the Sox are winning with this trade, or at least, breaking even. But there seems no way someone can state as fact and as a starting point for other arguments that the Sox lost the Cease trade.

Weak returns don't help you win. They have to hold out and hope he plays better.The only one getting burned is JR because he has to pay him. So I don't care.

I think it's more of a matter of actually getting coaching on what to anticipate in various situations against certain pitchers. From the articles that have come out, it seems like they've basically just told guys "swing at strikes and don't swing at not-strikes." There was limited emphasis on applying analytics and coming up with cohesive strategies for specific pitchers in specific scenarios / situations.

The lack of protection is a concern, but mostly because he wasn’t being pitched to and he was too aggressive. That is a correctable with the right coaching. I’m not really worried about his defense as the speed is still there. And yes, he looked disinterested at times (he wasn’t the only one). These guys aren’t robots and playing for a historically bad team will wear you down. And if you have a weak manager, then it’s much easier for that to happen. I also think he wasn’t fully healthy even when playing. I really think you are taking one bad year and trying to make a trend out of it because a bias you have against the player.

Wow you mean every single one of these guys won't be very good and on their roster playing different positions? You mean they have a logjam of 1B/DH types and over hyped guys/guys who didn't develop properly? So there's no reinforcements for guys who struggle or leave on their MLB roster? Boy, that's a shame.

There it is.

Appreciate it. I know there’s a decent sized contingent of Sox fans who don’t like me but I just do my thing and want to see the team become successful again like everyone else here.

Temu Bay Rays

That kid needs a girlfriend.

If Getz cheaps out on Robert — either by selling low or not picking up an option while payroll is reaching A's/Rays levels — then all he is is dancing monkey.

I'm calling him Roberts until he's elite again.

Sure, but we don’t have to pick up the option for another year, so why not wait and see what his first half looks like? There is zero reason to dump him now and this idea that we wouldn’t pick up a $20M option if he put up say a 5 win season because we think he might be “Moncada 2.0” is crazy. Let’s see how does with a new coaching staff and Fuller in place. I’d rather get nothing for him after the upcoming season than rush to trade him for scraps right now.

So it seems that Getz keeps asking for more than what our guys are reasonably worth. How long until he gets into the same groove as everyone before him? Ask for what they are worth, settle for less than what they are worth, and move on? Other teams can get away with it and sometimes come out clear winners in trades, but that's not us. We lose trades. That's our DNA. So stop the nonsense and do the job we expect from you.

You don’t want to blame Jerry’s “alleged frugality”; however, the fact is that the payroll for 2025 is currently at around $66 million after arbitration raises for players. Yes, Getz will sign some guys but likely not any large contract free agents. You posted this in another thread… ”Yes, WSox need some hitters/position players so add them through FA ...but don't rob from Peter to pay Paul so to speak. Spend some damn money on FA instead of trying to go on the cheap by trying to outsmart other teams with trades and "developing" prospects while we watch another painful rebuild. Fvk that.” So if the Sox trade some combination of Crochet/Robert/Benintendi and the payroll drops even lower, even with some minor additions by Getz, who in your opinion is to actually blame for this lack of spending? The Sox are more than likely going to have a bottom five payroll in the MLB, next to teams like the A’s, Pirates, Rays, and Marlins. There’s one person that controls these decisions and that’s Jerry.

Ugh. I never wanna hear Austin Slater's name again. He's the definition of 'just another guy' that the White Sox are so in love with giving 400 at bats.

This honestly has to be a bit

Well, as long as you're popping up: This tweet was hysterical and everyone else can chill.

Robert has an option for next year so we don’t need to clear his salary to help facilitate a sale.

It's gonna happen then JR will cut payroll in 2026. Then there will be charges against Reinsdorf for violating minimum wage laws.

I love the idea of the 2024 team popping champagne when the 2025 team finishes with a worse record.

He's been a fringe big leaguer coming off a terrible year in his 30s. He was happy his phone rang.

Ah well we should still have plenty of disfunction.

I would be really impressed if the Sox could manage to be the worst team in the history of baseball in back to back years.

Cool, so Getz will cave in February and give away Robert for pennies on the dollar like he did Cease. All because cheap-ass Jerry is hellbent on shedding any large or longterm payroll commitments.