wrathofhahn

He was a carpenter though.

I think we are so far away from this being a concern in fact my top concern is with the age of the guys we are getting back we are going to burn through their service time before we are able to draft enough talent to get to the ML. It probably will not matter much for the majority of these guys' service time if we use them to their full potential, but if I were constructing a roster, the simplest way to generate extra WAR would be to have a full-time, reliable all-around catcher and a catcher with a less reliable defense who can play 1B/DH and 60 odd or so games at catcher. Consider the Blue Jays and the extra production they were able to get from their two catchers. The average backup catcher is a major negative, hitting at a level that is nearly equal to a pitcher.

Yeah the O's keep making smart moves in the offseason signing Oneill and Sanchez.

The top two prospects in the deal are good. The other two aren't interesting to me. We should be targeting younger prospects other than 4A guys. I'd much rather of us gotten a guy like Zanetello and/or Conrad Cason usually it's the bottom half of the trade that ends up saving these deals when one of the top prospects flame out. Instead we got two guys in Chase Meidroth and Wikelman Gonzalez who are almost ready but don't profile to be everyday players. Meidroth has never hit for power at any level. He also according to scouts and doesn't have the arm strength or range to stick as SS.

Crochet is the current Sox that makes the most sense to move now. He has a history of arm issues and had a good year. Makes sense to move him now versus holding onto him and taking a chance he may get another arm injury. I hope we take the best offer.

Andrew Benintendi isn't good but I don't see why we should be looking to move him. He is going to cost assets to move and we aren't going to get anything back. You guys okay giving up a prospect to move him? I am not. We should be looking to take on salary for prospects not shed them for it.

That is the exception not the norm. And no another teams reclamation project is not another soft-tossing veteran. I am talking about going after hard throwing pitchers or failed top prospects who are in need of a change of scenery with a bit of control. We have to AB and IP to give them and showcase now is the time to do it. Not sign a bunch of washed up guys with no FV at all. We will see I guess.

The Sox are hopeless the time to trade him was last offseason when he had his best year. He is going to be worth a fraction of his actual value right now. We did the same thing with Cease traded him the offseason coming off a down year for scraps and watched him almost win a cy young. How about we hold onto Robert until he is playing well then move him. We can ask for top prospects all we want I take no solace in that because our track record is to give into the market after shopping a player and the market for a season Robert is coming off of is going to be nowhere near what it should be. Prove me wrong Getz

He was mediocre in 2023 too where he played 137 games and had an OPS+ of 91 2.1 WAR. They gave him the Eckstein treatment and vastly overpaid because he got hot in the playoffs. Which they can afford to do because they are the dodgers.

I don't expect this team to compete financially with the likes of the dodgers but we can't even get him to spend smartly on scouts, international free agents, and sign reclamation guys. Getz makes trades like we are the dodgers where it doesn't matter how high or low the current value of a player is if we decide to move him he's gone. It's just dumb and sad I have zero hope for this team right now

It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year.

Look at what we got for Cease. Getz will give in and accept the best crappy offer; I am positive of it. That is what he does. To be honest, I do not think this organization will progress with the current approach they are using; they seem determined to make the rebuild as painful and drawn out as possible. If he was smart and the offers are trash make the deal at the deadline that is where you are going to get the best offers anyways not in the off-season because in the off-season fans and GM's all look at their rosters with rose color glasses. He won't. I also don't know why we aren't in on trading for reclimation projects this team is trash and the whole league knows it, so you aren't getting any reputable free agent to sign here without obscenely overpaying them. So why aren't we trading for guys either getting prospects back for teams in need of short-term salary relief or trading for guys who have fallen out of favor? Don't get it it. But it's whatever. The way Getz is running this rebuild it is going to be 5+ years. We aren't getting the kind of franchising altering prospects players in trades and we aren't getting anyone who could generate any surplus value and be valuable in trades. I fully expect him to sign a bunch of soft-tossing veterans for bloated deals and washed-position players who only signed here because they literally had no other option who wouldn't be worth anything, and that will be the big move of the off-season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bNoVrQf_A

It is not good to jerk around free agents. Release him and allow him to get at bats somewhere else if you are not going to play him.

Although Keller is a good addition, it is difficult to have hope for a single hire because there are so many issues with the team and staff as it stands. It feels like someone hands you a pail of water when your entire house is on fire. It is something, but not much.

Called it. I literally have zero hope at this point for the whitesox. At least Hahn knew how to tear things down we can't even do that right anymore

I was a huge Hahn fan during the rebuild but it was time. He made a ton of mistakes, especially with regard to rounding out the roster. You will never be able to persuade me that he was told who to draft or sign. He may have been subject to rules regarding length of contracts and other matters, but he still made the decision to sign the players he did. He was also incapable of drafting worth s%*#. The only regret I have with the firing was who they replaced him with.

If he can't play for the worst team in baseball we should just waive him

Interesting factoid that doesn't have anything to with the game but after yesterdays game Eloy finished with a 666 OPS.

That was in reference to Kelenic. Most metrics have his defense as neutral or average at CF. With the position adjustment, if he hits for league average, that makes valuable at CF. Vargas, I am not even going to get into that. It is not like this is just the product of a small sample size; nothing has suggested he will be an ok defender, and the scouting reports prior to the trade listed him as a poor fielder. Vargas must hit in order to be valuable, that is the main point. The issue is that, even if we can get him to hit league average—which seems like an impossibly tall order at this point—his current defense will make him a zero or minus WAR player. He doesn't just need to hit but hit well to have value and when he doesn't hit like right now the lows are going to be much lower. It may not matter right now because well we are god awful but he's been unplayable

If our GM can't identify the best candidate whether that be internal or external during the interview process then we are doomed anyways. This is more of a wish fulfillment of how I wish the Sox were run, but I think we all know the answer to the first paragraph. My point is hiring outside is not some magic pancreas there are plenty of bad candidates working for other organizations not promoting from within doesn't guarantee anything and you can lose talented people approaching the hiring process that way.

It depends on whether he can ever hit. If he hits at .720 to .750 ops he'd be worth around 2-3 WAR. Thats valuable. Vargas is going to have to hit way more than that to have any value at the ML unless he becomes a much better defender. I'd rather take my chances with Kelenic to be honest but ATL got him for much less. I said at the time we should have done the deal.

Kelenic has a much higher ceiling then Vargas. Mainly because he can actually play a premium position CF. Vargas hasn't really shown he can play anywhere. And I wouldn't have accepted a trade centered around Kelenic either.

Yes, that was my point. Going outside the organization does not ensure anything. Chris Getz was employed by the Royals before coming here, and I do not want him to hire a bunch of inexperienced flunkies from the Royals just because it is not within the organization. What I want is qualified candidates and the best fit for the organization. Let us wait and see what he does, but I would have felt much more at ease if he had simply stated that we would be implementing an open process to hire the best talent available, whether from within or outside the organization. But like you said that is not how he was hired and he benefited by the current process so expecting him to make these kinds of changes is wishful thinking.

That came happen when hiring from outside the organization as well. That is why I stated that hiring the best candidate through an open process is what matters to me the most. For that, you can see how we hired TLR. I still think he is a fantastic manager, but it is clear that his physical limitations should have prevented him from managing. He was hired through a closed process but outside the organization. Furthermore, our organization is a dumpster fire we need to balance the two of keeping guys who are talented working here and also bringing in more qualified people. Have you ever worked for a sinking ship? I have one of the first things you question is why should you remain there? If there is no chance of advancement and they are only considering outside candidates, why would someone who is performing well in a poor performing group want to stay on staff?