wrathofhahn

Look at what we got for Cease. Getz will give in and accept the best crappy offer; I am positive of it. That is what he does. To be honest, I do not think this organization will progress with the current approach they are using; they seem determined to make the rebuild as painful and drawn out as possible. If he was smart and the offers are trash make the deal at the deadline that is where you are going to get the best offers anyways not in the off-season because in the off-season fans and GM's all look at their rosters with rose color glasses. He won't. I also don't know why we aren't in on trading for reclimation projects this team is trash and the whole league knows it, so you aren't getting any reputable free agent to sign here without obscenely overpaying them. So why aren't we trading for guys either getting prospects back for teams in need of short-term salary relief or trading for guys who have fallen out of favor? Don't get it it. But it's whatever. The way Getz is running this rebuild it is going to be 5+ years. We aren't getting the kind of franchising altering prospects players in trades and we aren't getting anyone who could generate any surplus value and be valuable in trades. I fully expect him to sign a bunch of soft-tossing veterans for bloated deals and washed-position players who only signed here because they literally had no other option who wouldn't be worth anything, and that will be the big move of the off-season.

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It is not good to jerk around free agents. Release him and allow him to get at bats somewhere else if you are not going to play him.

Although Keller is a good addition, it is difficult to have hope for a single hire because there are so many issues with the team and staff as it stands. It feels like someone hands you a pail of water when your entire house is on fire. It is something, but not much.

Called it. I literally have zero hope at this point for the whitesox. At least Hahn knew how to tear things down we can't even do that right anymore

I was a huge Hahn fan during the rebuild but it was time. He made a ton of mistakes, especially with regard to rounding out the roster. You will never be able to persuade me that he was told who to draft or sign. He may have been subject to rules regarding length of contracts and other matters, but he still made the decision to sign the players he did. He was also incapable of drafting worth s%*#. The only regret I have with the firing was who they replaced him with.

If he can't play for the worst team in baseball we should just waive him

Interesting factoid that doesn't have anything to with the game but after yesterdays game Eloy finished with a 666 OPS.

That was in reference to Kelenic. Most metrics have his defense as neutral or average at CF. With the position adjustment, if he hits for league average, that makes valuable at CF. Vargas, I am not even going to get into that. It is not like this is just the product of a small sample size; nothing has suggested he will be an ok defender, and the scouting reports prior to the trade listed him as a poor fielder. Vargas must hit in order to be valuable, that is the main point. The issue is that, even if we can get him to hit league average—which seems like an impossibly tall order at this point—his current defense will make him a zero or minus WAR player. He doesn't just need to hit but hit well to have value and when he doesn't hit like right now the lows are going to be much lower. It may not matter right now because well we are god awful but he's been unplayable

If our GM can't identify the best candidate whether that be internal or external during the interview process then we are doomed anyways. This is more of a wish fulfillment of how I wish the Sox were run, but I think we all know the answer to the first paragraph. My point is hiring outside is not some magic pancreas there are plenty of bad candidates working for other organizations not promoting from within doesn't guarantee anything and you can lose talented people approaching the hiring process that way.

It depends on whether he can ever hit. If he hits at .720 to .750 ops he'd be worth around 2-3 WAR. Thats valuable. Vargas is going to have to hit way more than that to have any value at the ML unless he becomes a much better defender. I'd rather take my chances with Kelenic to be honest but ATL got him for much less. I said at the time we should have done the deal.

Kelenic has a much higher ceiling then Vargas. Mainly because he can actually play a premium position CF. Vargas hasn't really shown he can play anywhere. And I wouldn't have accepted a trade centered around Kelenic either.

Yes, that was my point. Going outside the organization does not ensure anything. Chris Getz was employed by the Royals before coming here, and I do not want him to hire a bunch of inexperienced flunkies from the Royals just because it is not within the organization. What I want is qualified candidates and the best fit for the organization. Let us wait and see what he does, but I would have felt much more at ease if he had simply stated that we would be implementing an open process to hire the best talent available, whether from within or outside the organization. But like you said that is not how he was hired and he benefited by the current process so expecting him to make these kinds of changes is wishful thinking.

That came happen when hiring from outside the organization as well. That is why I stated that hiring the best candidate through an open process is what matters to me the most. For that, you can see how we hired TLR. I still think he is a fantastic manager, but it is clear that his physical limitations should have prevented him from managing. He was hired through a closed process but outside the organization. Furthermore, our organization is a dumpster fire we need to balance the two of keeping guys who are talented working here and also bringing in more qualified people. Have you ever worked for a sinking ship? I have one of the first things you question is why should you remain there? If there is no chance of advancement and they are only considering outside candidates, why would someone who is performing well in a poor performing group want to stay on staff?

Hiring from outside the company is meaningless if the candidates are not qualified and have a common understanding of the direction the organization should take. Above all, I am interested in seeing good outcomes. Whether it comes from someone buried inside the organization or it comes from outside, I quite frankly don't care. Rather than worry whether someone or not works for this dumpster fire of an organization, we ought to be evaluating people based on the quality of their actual work. For me, it's more important we have an open process, something we didn't have when Getz was hired. I do not mind if it leads to an internal or external hire as long as the person making the choice thinks they selected the best candidate. To me, saying I am hiring outside the organization without going through the process is nothing to elevate. To me, that indicates he is more worried about optics than actually doing a good job.

Keep southpaw everyone else must go

Spanking is not the same as punching someone in the face on is a form of punishment the other is domestic violence. Punishment is meant to change behavior, not alleviate anger. Any study who believes that is BS. I was raised with spanking and never once considered it sexual assault. What happens is you are embarrassed and the first reaction is thinking back on what you did. It's effective. You don't want to spank your child don't, don't try and decide how other people should raise their kids.

The market collapsed. He declined what was essentially 8M to get 3M. Noone expected him to return

If you are asking should they be on the same page? Yes they should be. They should set aside their differences and agree to raise their child together in a way that is not confusing for the child and support each other. Legally? It's not the business of the courts to sort out disagreements over how to parent.

Spanking isn't child abuse, if parents want to spank their children that is their right. Just like there is right to try to be their best friend rather than an actual parent. Raise your kids how you want to, and stay out of other peoples business.

Which is the only trade I liked at the time, lol. Makes sense of why the thought process wasn't replicated in any of his other moves.

The simple answer is for the same reason he is bad at everything else he is over his head and never should have been made GM. There is no real reason to beat a dead horse any more or approach it from multiple angles. His free agent signings have sucked. His trade acquisitions have been terrible. His record of minor league development is abysmal. It's not like we went and hired a respectable GM and this is just a footnote in his career. This is Getz career and further evidence he had no business being made GM There is a reason why we are the worst team in baseball by a country mile. Initially I was a Hahn fan because I liked the trades which gave me optimism that we could fill the roster out and have a competitive ballclub and there were times where I was optimistic about the season and the direction of the club. I was wrong because while he proved he could tear things down he couldn't fill out the roster and bring in the talent to fill out the roster. All his free agent signings were abysmal and had he gotten something from those signings we would be having a different conversation. I also wasn't a fan of the way we approached the draft either but then we go and promote Chris Getz I am going to say something that some people don't like but to me Chris Getz is a much worse GM than the combo of Hahn and KW. Hahn deserved to be fired. Getz should have never been hired. There is nothing about any of the moves he made that gives me optmism for the future. I have liked one of the trades he has made since he became GM and that was the Burger trade and while I'll defend my thought process behind the deal the hell if I know Getz because he hasn't followed up that move with similar type trades.

I wanted to trade him last trade deadline when he was playing well and had value. He'll leave at the end of the year anyways and be someone elses problem. Even with his history his pitching stats when healthy will get multiple clubs to offer him a contract.

I mean I know he plays for the Yankees now but that is a whitesox move. Stop stealing our moves Rodon

Look its a failure as an adult but did keeping him actually hurt his arm more? Who knows. It reminds me of the the dude who was chatting running around his caboose and ran over the woman who dropped her cell phone in Chicago. Like he wholly unprofessional but most experts said he wouldn't have been able to see her in-time to stop regardless. My point in this guy was an idiot who has no business coaching but noone knows if his idiocy actually hurt the kid so I assume twitter is doing the responsible thing and not assuming he got him hurt. Who am I kidding.