wrathofhahn

La Russa has a history of butting heads with players and the game has passed him by. I am not in favor of the hire. With that being said he's the manager and people are just going to have to deal with it.

I hate that this is the thread headline she seems to have been eminently qualified which is all that should matter. Interested to see what the Marlins do it certainly isn't the easiest job

Not to mention TLR was upfront about the situation so it's not really TLR they should want fired it's the decision makers and shot callers in the organization who decided to hire him regardless. Also going after advertisers is lame (there is another word I'd to use but it isn't board appropriate) I often wondered who these people were who would put that much time and effort into getting a person cancelled/trying to destroy their life because of a political disagreement anyways it reflects badly on them If people feel that strongly they should just root for the cubs

It means he has been yet to be convicted of the charge that is all. Also I am not telling anyone, they are telling me. They can continue their crusade of bad faith if they want but when people start to bring in his politics it sort of tells me where the outrage is actually coming from. I also read through his hiring before his 2nd DUI was known barely a mention was made of it. I think it was one person. When Ozzie was being considered noone mentioned it despite him being an admitted alcoholic. In any case I am sort of done with this. I actually don't like TLR despite us sharing similar politics and I wouldn't have hired him either but he's here and people need to just deal with it.

Does he love to drive impaired? He one known DUI and another ALLEGED DUI in 76 years on this earth. And you are free to do whatever you want just don't pretend it's some sort of super important issue to you and this is anything other then an excuse to try and get TLR fired because you never wanted him hired in the first place.

Except that is not what the other mod said. If that is how you feel that is fine but the only way that works is if the policy is applied organization wide and that isn't something that happens just with TLR being fired. I'd also point out that TLR has yet to be convicted or plead guilty to the charge. I have worked at organizations that have had a zero tolerance policy in this regard (not a problem for me because I don't DUI) and it was clear what the consequences would be and it applied to everyone there. TLR was upfront with the White Sox. He didn't hide anything. The White Sox had the option not to hire him but they did so anyways so to me it would be patently unfair to fire him when he was honest and upfront with them. It would also probably be quite costly for the owner because they would have to payout his entire contract. It's also possible to enact the policy after hiring TLR so if you feel it has been an oversight in the past and it isn't about just getting TLR fired that would be a good avenue to pursue if the issue was actually important to you.

Or you could call them to lower the legal limit to 0.05 as Utah has done. You could call on them to enact harsher penalties and zero tolerence measures. Instead you'd rather call up the whitesox and get them to fire TLR because hey "dui sentences are too lenient" because that makes much more sense. Come on you are too smart for this.

How does cancelling La Russa solve drunk driving? It seems to me if you feel DUI's aren't being taken seriously enough the proper course to affect real change is to call on your local politician to change the laws. Unless this really isn't about La Russa being .01 over the legal limit and it has to do with the fact you don't agree with his politics. Ozzie Guillen admitted to being hired for the job by Williams after showing black out drunk. He also claimed he got drunk every night on the road and while he never admits to drunk driving (which would be stupid even by his standards) it is hard to believe he had a driver waiting for him every time he went out. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1135904-ozzie-guillen-claims-he-gets-drunk-every-night-on-the-road I followed the Guillen rumors. Did anyone bring up his drinking as a reason NOT to hire him in these threads? Like one person? Pretty much. I am not going to sidetrack the thread listing all the examples when you can just google them. There are many other players this board have advocated for who are objectively worse. I have been pretty consistent that I don't believe It's the role of twitter and the outrage mob to take the place of our court systems. If people are outraged at the sentences then call your politician to change them but this selective outrage to get people fired who you never liked anyways most people see right through.

The fake preening over Larussa DUI is getting a little much we all know what this is really about which is his politics. Half this board wanted to sign legit awful people like Machado and Harper

I haven't visited this forum much over the past year as you can see from my posting history but as far as this thread goes I didn't even realize this was an old thread and I am not the one who bumped it

I am still betting DeGrom gets moved

What the hell are you talking about? This is 2020. I brought nothing on myself and part of equal rights is having equal responsibility. I heard Morgan Freeman being interviewed once and he asked what can you do end racism? To which he replied stop viewing the world through the lens of identity politics “I’m going to stop calling you a white man, and I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a black man.” That is where I am at too. I don't feel guilty when I see an African American I don't feel fearful I don't feel anything. In fact I try to remember back to when I was a kid when it didn't matter what color of skin a person had. I had Indian friends. Black friends. Muslim friends. I just treated them as a friend and talked to them the same way I would any other kid. The world tries to screw with you and the media tells you have treat people differently because of their background and skin color. Why? I don't and I refuse to do so. That maybe your reality but it isn't mine

Who needs Tatis when you can draft a slap hitter like Madrigal?

I mean if you want to sneak him off the 40 man now is the time. So I don't have a problem with it but keeping Nicky is indefensible though

Mets could shop DeGrom their owner is bleeding cash

My thoughts exactly. Engel though is sort of risky because at times his bat has been so bad it's not ML caliber if he can keep it in the .680-700 ops range he can have a role on a club.

Just because you don't die from the virus doesn't mean there aren't other outcomes. Like for example my Aunt didn't "die" from her lung cancer but for the last 15 years she has been hooked up to a ventilator.

Well I would disagree there wasn't risk because he needed to be an elite hitter at the next level to justify taking him there. For example if you look at a guy like CJ Cron who who fell into the mid teens during the 2011 draft and was also viewed similarly coming out (major slugger at catcher) what he has done the last two years isn't seen as overly valuable despite him being a good hitter (113+ OPS the last two years) he signed for 1/6M in the offseason, That was sort of the risk. My issue with the previous poster who brought it up is they made it seem like he wasn't some sort of success story for the cubs when he clearly is.

So I don't understand was he a risky pick or not because on one hand you say he was safe and on the other you say his defensive limitations made him a risky pick because everyone knew he would be moved off catcher? My point was in the AL all that really matters is like Eloy if he can hit. We have 1B/DH/LF to hide guys with defensive limitations and one of the most frustrating things as a baseball fan is watching AL clubs invest 300m in a position player then trot out a scrub at DH. Teams even in this day and age are obsessed with WAR instead of constructing a baseball team. Bringing the subject back to Madrigal the issue for him is with his frame he either has two options either change his approach at the plate and pull the ball or forgo hitting HR's in favor of avg. I actually don't want him pulling the ball much because while people mention Dustin Pedroia and Altuve Madrigal isn't going to be transported into Fenway park and hit a bunch of cheapies he also isn't going to get the pitches ahead of time. So people need to take away the outliers for someone of his stature and think rationally based on what similar hitters like Eckstein profile as. There is also risk in changing his approach I remember when Aaron Hill was brought up he used the entire field. Now he had more natural power in his bat then Madrigal but then someone got a hold of him (Murphy) and changed his swing where he was pulling every pitch and while he had some great seasons for the most part it completely screwed up his career

I don't even get the issue if Schwarber was playing in the AL he'd be just fine the issue he has and for the cubs is they can't hide him defensively and 1B is already taken but he'll get paid a decent figure for his bat if/when he hits FA. How is he some sort of cautionary tale? Hell we are paying a 37 year old Edwin 12M and Abreu 50m/3. So if you look at it from the perspective had we drafted someone like Schwarber instead then that would have freed 12m=17 to buy some pitching or spend on a 2B and Schwarber is a massive upgrade over Edwin and Abreu as well at this point in their careers. But enough about getting sidetracked on Schwarber

I said at the time I liked the stuff of Stewart and Groshans hit tool with power at SS. I have no idea what happened to Stewart last I heard he had an arm injury and fell off the face of the world. Atlanta got it's pick back though. Groshans is one of the top prospects in baseball and if we offered Madrigal for him the Blue Jays would laugh to our faces so lets not pretend there weren't options. High upside options which so far have paid dividends.

I have been consistently right about Madrigal throughout this entire process about what kind of player I thought he was and what he will be. Others have also been consistently wrong. This one isn't even difficult. Madrigal is not going to average a .400 OBP over his career. He just won't. Also the projections I posted earlier aren't even analysis they are what his projected stats are going forward based on the predictive modelling of his minor league batted ball data and to be honest to me they seem low but I also recognize as a fan I tend to be overly optimistic too. The only difference is I don't have my head completely in the clouds like other posters. Like I said earlier it isn't about averaging out what you receive it's about taking your best guess and shooting for the stars with these top picks recognizing if they fail you can always find serviceable 2WAR guys with control via trade or if you are willing to spend a bit more FA. As an example lets say you are presented with a 30 percent chance of getting a 6WAR player (or nothing) or a guaranteed chance of getting a 2WAR player with zero upside. What should you choose? Mathematically it maybe make sense to choose the 2WAR guy but you also have to account for cost opportunity and after looking at FA and seeing Machado get 10/300M does that change your thinking? When you see Starling Castro who has averaged around 2WAR the last 3 years get 2/12 does that change things?

That is nuts. Ichiro only had one OBP 400 plus season. Also with the way teams do infield placements now it's much harder to hit for those insane averages without power because managers don't care about respecting hitters and will bring their infields and outfields way in. We will see but if he can hit for a .290 average with around a .340 OBP and .410 SLG percentage I'd be happy

Zips projects a .274 BABIP. Steamer .292. Both have access to his batted ball data (https://www.fangraphs.com/players/nick-madrigal/20521/stats?position=2B). Personally, I am more bullish then his projection because they aren't projecting much 83 wRC+ for ZIPS and 95 wRC+ for steamer. I am an optimist by nature so I think he'll do better then that and like I said somewhere around Eckstein is his ceiling so if you want to talk projections fine but lets be honest about what they say

Yeah he had a .348 and .336 BABIP in AA and AAA. With an ISO of .110 and .093. That won't be sustainable for his career.