wrathofhahn

Neither guy is in mlb.com top 100. Seems like a very weak return. http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=nym

trade him and see what you can get.

I said this years group wasn't ready and I didn't want us to waste big money on Harper and Machado. I still believe that. Because we still don't have a good idea of how far away we are my preference would still be to do 1-2 year deals. This club still has major holes in the rotation and certain positions. There will be bounceback guys like Porcello forced to accept 1-2 year deals. That is where our energy needs to be.

It depends on his stuff he's gained almost 2MPH on his fastball from last year and done a much better with location. It's turned what was one of his worst pitches into one of his better ones. if he can maintain his stuff moving forward he has a chance if he regresses back into that 91-92 MPH pitcher from last year not so much.

He had that incident in the wall in what April? He's looked real awkward out there at times this injury though just makes me angry because it was totally avoidable if he just listened to his CF. Also had Tilson not made the play Eloy didn't put himself in position where he could have backed him up. Anyways what done is done I hope they are still having him do work in the outfield even with the injury. He needs to get much more comfortable out there. ?. I can't find a video anywhere online of it but if someone does and posts a slow motion replay of it you will see Eloy was not going to get to the ball.

I watched the play again in slo mo. He had zero chance to get to the ball.

Harper has a statline of .260/.373/.479/.852 with 2.6 WAR/150 and 13.7 UZR/150 Machado has a statline of .271/.342/.512/.854 with 4.1 WAR/150 and 3.7 UZR/150 for 3B, and -5.8 UZR/150 Note BR ref is harsher then fangraphs on harpers defense which affects his war slightly. The point is has how either performed changed your thought process on the effort spent pursuing them? Or would you have rather explored other options?

Past you was wildly optimistic which is why current you is so disappointed. I am not disappointed with the fact the sox decided rebuild but I am disappointed with the moves we didn't make. I looked at the Archer trade and wondered why didn't we move Rodon for that kind of return? I was disappointed we weren't interested in Pham. I was disappointed we spent all our offseason trying to get Machado and Harper instead of signing guys to one year deals instead bringing stiffs like Jay and Alonso. One thing that has kind of been apparent is the lack of a clear direction. We are sort of half in half out. It's cost us some opportunities I think to move guys like Abreu and Rodon who should have been moved if they were more realistic about their timeline it probably also cost us two years of control on Kopech too. In other words they have made a ton of what I think are mistakes they've made a ton of moves I really liked too and I was surprised with the return the thing is even had they done everything I wanted that I was right on (I won't mention the things where I was wrong ) and they got better then expected returns this team was never going to be competitive this year. It was always about 2020 at the earliest.

I don't think he would. He wants a 3-4 yr 30-40 million multi year deal. In any case another reason to move him

The day disco died.

We will receive a comp pick if he leaves so any team who trades for him has to do so with that in mind. I'd like to move him if we could not just because we could get a guy who could help us in the future but he deserves a shot to play for a contending team.

Yep there is no way Eloy should have been there. For one he had no play on the ball and two Tilson was already calling for it.

This is the kind of nonsense we heard last year about Fry. If you can get a decent return we should be moving them all.

I watched the play several times Tilson was the only one who had a shot he also is the one who has the priority because he plays CF. This injury is a result of Eloy not doing his job which is to backup Tilson once he calls for the ball.

All jokes should be told.

Teams that could fit. Redsox - Mitch Moreland is hurt Brewers - Aguilar is not getting it done Twins - I'll ask again is CJ Cron for real insterested to see what his stats are before the deadline Rangers - If they want to make a run they need someone better then Guzman Rockies - They need more offense from the position especially at coors Astros - Guirriel has been awful. Alvarez is DH'ing. They are pretty exposed at both DH and 1B.

Abreu makes a ton more sense. We drafted our 1B of the future. He only has a year left. He is a rental. The question is what do teams give up? Right now probably not much he's overpaid for what he is producing still if some team needs a 1B/DH and we eat salary we could get a 10-13 ranked prospect on a teams top 30.

Then we should keep him. He's been very consistent he's probably a better bet then any FA we would sign. I don't think a top 100 is a hard ask. How is Doolittle better? Hand and Giles sure. But both clubs are probably looking for a similar if not better return if they decide to move them. Which they may not as both still have control. When Doolittle was traded the A's got 3 prospects back and dumped Madson. If instead of a top 100 we get a team to give us a Luzardo who is a riser (turned out to be one the better pitching prospects and a solid guy like Neuse. I'd take that too I've been advocating these type of moves for years

I am not as high on him as others but Mayo has him ranked 41st on mlb.com top 100 When Mejia was swapped for Hand he was ranked 26th. Looking at what he has done since maybe the Indians knew something the rest of didn't but I'd like to get at least a 75ish ranked prospect for him. Part of what makes him more valuable then Soria is his stuff. Soria K numbers maybe higher but his fastball just doesn't have the zip it once did. Colome regularly sits 95-97 you can put that kind of stuff at the back end either as a setup guy or closer. And if not just keep him. He has another year. We don't have to move him if some team isn't going to give a good offer

Soria wasn't a hard thrower. He also only had one year of control left (was going to get bought out). What are his numbers this year?

Is CJ Cron for real though?

The twins went hard after Kimbrel and lack a clear closer. They also need a 1B. It would make a ton of sense to possibly package Colome and Abreu for a good package. They have a ton of minor league talent. They are also a club that may overpay a bit if the CWS eat some salary

They lost a ton of depth with that deal. They may have to if they want a premium arm with some control.

Considering the value of 1B/DH yes he would have to be special to justify taking him 3rd overall. 1B/DH is the easiest position to fill in baseball and the trade value of most of these guys reflect that. Unless you are a top, top guy you don't hold much value. The same isn't true conversely for premium positions like CF or SS. Teams have gotten so much smarter realizing cost opportunity/surplus value for those under control and focusing on drafting premium positions. Well except the Sox. As a smaller 1B his defense is never going to be stellar there either. Maybe the hope is he can play the OF. Maybe LF at some point. Anyways I've tried to avoid the board because I don't want to be debbie downer but this draft so far and granted it's early who knows maybe Vaughn signs below slot which allows us to draft a couple of hard to sign guys has been disappointing. I was hoping we learned our lesson with Madrigal and sort of instead went for high upside guys and tried to hit it out of the park rather then play it safe. Instead we went for the safe pick for the college hitter who is already 21 and close to the majors.

I'd much rather take my chances with a guy like CJ Abrams then go for safe picks besides noone knows what will happen in the minors anyways last year we had a guy blow out his ACL twice he was supposed to be a safe pick.