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Glasnow has been absolutely dominant since going back to the rotation The question about this trade early was Glasnow longterm future is it reliever or a starter. Clearly the Rays feel he's a starter. Rays were already winning the trade early with Glasnow before Baz now it looks like robbery.

https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-trade-for-joakim-soria-luis-avilan/c-264294484 The White Sox also received $3 million in cash considerations, according to various reports. That total helps offset salaries for the left-handed Avilan, who is arbitration-eligible after earning $1.5 million in 2017, and the right-handed Soria, who has $9 million left on a three-year, $25 million deal with a $10 million mutual option for '19.

I've read it's mutual though not a team option.

People talk about Engel power but where does that come from? He hasn't shown it in games. He's had 8 HR in 200 MLB games. Career .289 SLG%. Career .098 ISO If he was wellington Castillo or Gallo out there he'd be an everyday CF regardless of his subpar AVG and OBP. It's kind of disappointing because with the kind of defense he's shown lately he doesn't need to be a good hitter just good enough in one area to be respectable whether that be OBP or SLG%. Unfortunately he has a 54 wRC+ I don't care if you are willy mays out there that isn't good enough to play in the MLB and honestly despite the heroics at the wall most metrics have weighed his defense only to be slightly above average this year.

Thigh strain doesn't seem like a huge deal but yeah as a rental Brewers have a pretty tight window to get value out of him

Make that 4.2 11K lol

4.1 IP 10K. Impressive.

Okay assuming the rebuild is for another two years: Trade Rodon Trade Abreu Trade Garcia -------------------- Sign some starting pitching to short term 2yr or less pillow deals. Sign a 1B/DH on a short term deal Sign a DH on a short term deal Maybe look at a 3B like Donaldson on a short term deal Try to see if there is any guys this offseason who are surplus guys that might be available. ---------------------------------------- Around the deadline look to flip these rentals for prospects. Call up you young players. See where they are at and get ready for next year.

I meant average defensively. Right now he's basically replacement level with a bad bat and average defense. As far as above average players go sure but it's hard to do that when we don't even know what we need because our young guys haven't been exposed by MLB yet. I do think we could have done a better job in the offseason bringing in guys who could play on short term deals. We really had no reason not to particularly in the rotation and DH. I'd have liked to have move Shields to the bullpen and have Davidson/Sanchez battling for 3B

Well the majority of Tim Anderson being a poor defender was errors. He had 28 last year 16 fielding 12 throwing. Errors are by definition correctable and while he'll never be a top 10 shortstop in the league defensively I don't see why he can't be average as long as he keeps the number of mistakes to a manageable number. Like in 2016 and this year.

I don't think that is even true evenmore. Look for what MLB guys are going for. It's easier then ever to build a roster on a budget. I'm glad we did the majority of the rebuild earlier prices have really fallen off a cliff.

Wow prices have gotten cheap for controllable guys.

It really wasn't supposed to (it was my immediate reaction to the pick). I went much further as to why I liked Groshan in other posts the point was I've already suggested names and I hated the pick immediately when it's made. Like I said though it's not even Madrigal so much it's where he was selected. If he was taken with our 2nd round pick or if we had a 1c then used it on him I'd have been thrilled.

I already did it's in the Madrigal draft thread I can hunt up the link if you'd like but the standard is sort of the same I really thought this draft was deep with HS really projectable arms. Guys like Carter Stewart, Liberatore, Weathers. I also liked Groshans alot and found him to be a better prospect (you can go back to the thread). http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?/topic/105479-white-sox-select-nick-madrigal-with-4th-overall-pick/&do=findComment&comment=3632963 I would have went with any number of guys but lets just keep it simple since you want one name and they both play the MI I'll go with Groshans.

My point was you can try to use selective bias to prove anything that is an inexact science. Throwing out random names that fit a specific narrative doesn't mean anything. My comparison of Eckstein was actually based on how he profiles moving forward not the fact they were both small. Also Madrigal does have a number of plus skills and I do think he'll end up being a useful player the point I was making is I don't see him with the upside of star with his current set of skills which you should expect when you are picking 4th.

Oh comeon. There is a reason why MLB teams have the draft rather then just picking random names out of a hat it's all educated guesswork. You can go up and down the draft and find guys that were picked later who became stars. That doesn't mean GM's on average have no idea what they are doing it's an inexact science. So when you point to a couple of guys who have hit for power but are smaller that's not evidence of anything. Show me the study where ALL hitters are measured that shows size doesn't matter. You can't because the data doesn't exist. There is a stigma attached smaller players for good reason. That mainly has to do with swing paths and the 6' and above hitters can get under the ball much easier to drive it. Maybe Madrigal will become an exception like Peddie/Altuve but there has been no evidence of that kind of power in his college career and none since joining the MILB. So why should anyone make that assumption?

Hits around .333? What are the chances of that? And yes if he hits like Ichiro HR's are not as much of a concern. But on the off crazy chance he doesn't hit .333 and instead puts up Eckstein numbers .290-.295 then you should be concerned. And I don't want the 4th overall pick to be a table setter. I want him to be a potential superstar. It just annoying in an era where we've crunched the numbers and figured out the most efficient way to score runs we draft a "throwback" player. Whose small and whose best attribute is his hit tool which has become marginalized versus OBP in todays game and who has very little power projection.

I don't want a throwback to another era I want a player who plays well in this era. To me he'll be a .750 ish OPS SS/2B at the next level which is useful just not someone you take 4th overall. He's going to have to show 20HR power to be more and maybe he does who knows but with these small guys that is not a bet I'd want to make with the 4th pick.

The "Madrigal Midget"?

Davidson can actually play 3B. Ideally he'd play 3B Sanchez would move to a utility role and we'd find ourselves a real DH.

It's all equally annoying. F likes I'd settle for my reputation to be 0 if I didn't have to deal with these stupid notifications.

Yeah, that probably too harsh of an assessment while it's impossible to count on Rodon Gio and Lopez for various reasons you probably can probably estimate at least one of them remaining in the rotation longterm And why should we ignore anything LG did before 6/15? His stuff has gotten better as the season went along at the beginning of the year he was throwing 89-90 MPH now he's regularly hitting 93-94 which is an improvement even the Cinn game his stuff looked good but it's hard count on someone like that moving forward. In alot of ways he reminds me of Tillman.

I'm glad we got another starter in there with the Soria deal but we could really use some pitching. We really have nothing at the ML level besides Lopez who may or may not need to be moved to the bullpen at some point.

We are two years away at the bare min. Scioscia I don't think would want to lose 80-100 games until we get good.