wrathofhahn

Sure whatever. People just want an excuse to hate on TLR. The dude is a baseball lifer. He played six seasons in the majors. Fifteen in the minors. In addition to two seasons in minor league baseball, he oversaw thirty five MLB seasons. He led the Diamondbacks as CEO for five years. He worked for the Angels for three years as a senior advisor. He has won three world series and four manager of the year awards. He is already in the HOF. He clearly was too old to manage when he got here and physically couldn't do it anymore, but after he was reassigned, nothing changed; in fact, this team took a step back. He wasn't the problem. Hahn, FO, and the ownership who put together the roster were. It's weird to me that knowing everything we now know including what the team looked like after he was reassigned people still blame the HOF manager with health problems instead of the incompetent boobs in our FO

If they are good then yes if they are trash then no. I would have preferred for this year to be exclusively used to try and find veterans to pump and dump at the deadline. There will be plenty of time to figure out our prospects this is going to be a long painful rebuild

We honestly should. Why burn through their service time on a lost season? I mean we arent and won't but we should.

He still has good stuff and if he puts together a season like 2021 or 2022 we would get an interesting prospect back. The way he is playing now we will get trash. If he doesn't figure it out next year that is fine nothing lost as far as I'm concerned but I'd much rather have him as our fifth starter than guys like Michael Soroka

The dodger are all in. I think they'll want someone better than that

Yes but I doubt we get anything more at this deadline then we would at next years deadline. Throw him in the rotation next year and see if he can put it back together. If he can't the offers probably won't be that much different. I'd rather hold onto him

If we trade him now when his value is at his absolute lowest we are morons of the highest order.

I'd rather keep kopech and move him back into the rotation then trade him for trash. We still have next year to dumpster drive if he doesn't put together a decent year. We should be looking for reclamation projects not trading them

TLR gets so much undeserved s%*# on this board. He deserved to be fired but was never the real problem.

If the Orioles are already thinking that far ahead they are morons. Leave him at catcher you can always move him around to 1B at the MLB level. Also even if everything goes right. He is probably three years away at least. Rutschman is a FA after 2027. Even if Rutschman is extended he is probably going to play around 95-100 games at catcher less as he continues to age. Which means you have 62-67 games for Basallo and can pencil the rest in at 1B/DH. I mean backup catcher is one of the worst performing positions in all of sports. The average catcher has around .677 ops backup catcher regularly have sub 600 ops. James McCann their current backup catcher is on pace for around 70 games with a .508 OPS. You can't tell me there isn't premium value in having a really good backup catcher particularly one with a good bat. You look at what the Blue Jays were able to do for years with Jensen and Kirk why wouldn't you want to replicate that as an O's fan. Or a whitesox fan. Why would you want some stiff playing backup catcher like Maldonado or McCann and to be clear you are not going to sign any good catchers and convince them to give up catching fulltime. That will only happen with players who have control.

Man Heyman. I have never wanted him to be more right but he is wrong on pretty much everything so him saying that about my Sox worries me.

Yeah no we are unlikely to find young talent floating the DFA waiver wire. Baggio does have a couple of things going for him. He is patient at the plate. He does have another year of control if he plays well. He is better than what we have internally. The only reason not to claim him is he makes 4M. If the Jays think noone claims him you can work out a deal maybe have them eat a bit of that contract but if they feel he'll be claimed then you sort of have to make a decision. I mean he makes essentially Lopez money and he is better so why not if he plays well he'll have a bit of value at the deadline if not then you really are not losing much other than a few million.

Tatis. Samardzija James Shields

We can't even be the best at being the worst.

I consider Jim Callis to be pretty reputable but putting that aside even someone who put our farm system in the top 10 K Law said he considered it a mediocre system and the fact we were top 10 said more about the rest of the teams rather than the state of our actual farm. He is higher on Thorpe than I am. I am not a fan of soft tossers dominating the minors with high chase rates we'll see Tues I guess.

Part of this is dependent on callups our and theirs. As it relates to young talent which is better barometer. There is no way we are top ten. MLB.com has us ranked 20th as a farm system and we have almost no young controllable talent at the ML level. We'd have to pull of multiple massive trades getting back top prospects not top 100 prospects but top prospects like we did in our prior rebuild to accomplish even being in the top 10. A big reason for that is the Padres deal. We didn't get Salas or any of their top prospects. MLB.com actually has them ranked 4th. So yeah I don't know why people are expecting us to get a top prospect when we didnt for Cease. Why would Robert command a huge package with the way he's played and getting injured? Trading players is all about timing you sell high and buy low. We sell low on guys like Cease and buy high on washed FA. It's why we are where we are.

We have the worst roster in baseball and have a middling farm system. MLB.com actually has us ranked in the bottom half 20th. Our prospects are nowhere nearly regarded as you let on. We have some interesting guys who have the kind of stuff to potentially be frontline starters but most are older guys who are projected to have the ceiling of backend or middle type rotation starters. That is fine but nothing to really get excited over. This team needs a ton of work. Part of the reason why I didn't really like Thorpe is his stuff is underwhelming and he is dependent on his changeup as a chase pitch. I have seen so many starters come up through the minors with a great changeup then peter out because hitters will just sit on their fastball and refuse to chase. Ricky Romero was one of those guys. There are guys that have been able to make it work like Kluber and Keuchel and pitch into their 30's but they are the exception not the norm and until I see Thorpe stuff translate against MLB hitters I'm never going to put much stock into his MILB stats. It's one thing to get MILB batters to chase and get by with smoke and mirrors in the minors it's another to do it at the ML level. As far as Kopech goes I hope someone offers something for him I just doubt that would be the case and if its not there is really no reason not to keep him considering he is a live arm and exactly the kind of guy we should have filling out the roster considering the upside. Especially if we move guys like Fedde and Crochet.

I mean he hasn't been good but why use BA to make the argument. It isn't the 90's anymore. He's had a positive WAR every year in the bigs. Worth a spot on the roster at least. The question is does the FO want to take a flyer on a guy making 4.2M

Well as the saying goes you can't lose em all

You have to have your talent level to a certain point before you can choose a direction. A couple of years ago we were sort of at that crossroads now the direction has been chosen for us. I don't want to move Robert right now because we are not going to get the kind of return back we should and we only have so many of these guys we can move that have the chance of getting large packages back. The best case scenario is Robert starts lighting the MLB on fire shortly. We have what almost two months until the deadline still time for him to convince teams he is going to be the player to put him over the top. But if continues to struggle then no I am not moving him.

This is the stupidity of our GM. We trade Cease after a down year for pennies on the dollar we could have moved Robert earlier for a much better return held onto him and now shopping him when his value is at his lowest. I wanted to move Robert. In the f'n offseason. I wanted to keep Cease and see if he could rebound. Why can't the Whitesox ever do anything right. Other teams know how to sell high. They don't wait until their assets are at the lowest point and then say golly gee now is the time to move them. Are we doomed to forever have an incompetent FO?

Like these people are delusional we lost 14 in a row. Whatever he thought about the team before the season and the reasoning for acquiring older prospects doesn't matter. The reality is what it is. This is the worst team in baseball maybe in all of professional sports. We are not 1-2 years away from competing. Period. We do not have the base talent level and the prospects coming up behind them to win. Like I don't even know where this is coming from? Are people watching a different team.

The spin is pointing to a player who didn't sign as evidence of anything. Half the s%*# you hear during the FA period is lies anyways put out by agents about teams they think have money to spend.

Why? This team isn't wining anything anytime soon. You want to burn through a players service time with this roster. Once again why? Furthermore, the Padres are in win now mode Salas may be someone they would actually be willing to move.

The end of an era.