wrathofhahn

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 01:11 AM) Sheets and Fisher? Ummmmm.... maybe in 2020? I mean Fisher is already 24 he's at the age where he'll either advance a couple of levels next year or be viewed as a non prospect. You sign Martinez you basically block him along with Gillaspie. Also at some point Burger with his frame maybe moved to 1B too. I don't want the 1B/DH position clogged with any FA for 5 years even someone of good a hitter as Martinez and 2020 is pretty much the plan Hahn set out at his end of season press conference last year. He'll be what 33 and on his steep decline phase. No thanks.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 13, 2018 -> 10:54 PM) No. too high of a price for a DH. Agreed. He also doesn't match the window at all. His contract will be terrible by the time the whitesox are good. Awful idea. If they want a DH type there are veteran guys on the market. Duda for example. Bautista. Holliday. There is also internal options in Sheets. Fisher and Gilaspie

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 13, 2018 -> 06:32 PM) after 2 disappointing seasons for Cole, it seems unsurprising. If he had been a strong pitcher the last 2 years, the Pirates probably wouldn't have been trading him because they'd have been much more competitive. I don't understand why they didn't just hold onto him. Hard to see them getting a worse offer at the deadline. Only real upside to this deal is it f Boras over badly Astros actually had money to spend but they are basically saying we'd rather swing a trade then do an Arrietta deal.

It will probably be James Shields but it should be Giolito or Lopez. Shields has no future here. His stuff is gone. He throws 89 MPH meatballs.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jan 12, 2018 -> 03:07 PM) MLBTR also acknowledges that its model might be off for Abreu. Not exactly sure how his prior contract plays into the arbitration calculations. It plays deeply because usually there are soft limits on how much of a raise a player gets year to year. I don't have the numbers infront of me but MLBTR had him receiving a 6 million dollar raise this year the fact he got 2 million will affect the formula and how much money he'll get next year. So yeah instead of getting 40 million over the next two. He'll probably at best get 30 million. Makes it more likely he either signs an extension or moved.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 12, 2018 -> 01:45 PM) Personally I think his career as a TOR starter is over. I don't trust what the Sox are selling about the surgery. I think he'll probably be a reliever by the time he's on his first FA deal. It looked like a great pick at the time but I don't think it's going to work out for the Sox or Rodon how they expected. His agent is Boras though. I find it hard to believe he'll accept a demotion to a reliever role unless it's performance based. Even a 4th starter coming off TJ typically makes more then a middle or 7th inning reliever.

MLBTR had him projected at 17.9 strange he would agree to such a below the line contract without going to ARB. It will definitely cost him next year.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 04:24 PM) Fangraphs Depth Charts project him as tied at the 12th best RF with Kepler and Polanco and right behind Haniger (the RF projections list includes Hicks/Springer/Cruz/Eaton and Matt Olson also above Avi, but I wouldn't count them as RF), and really you should put him 11th unless you want to count both Stanton and Judge as RF this year. That also includes JD Martinez, who might not end up in RF if he signs with Boston, thus moving Avi up another spot. Next in line after Haniger are Mazara and Heyward, and you could argue for Avi over those two. #8 definitely doesn't seem outrageous even with regression. It really depends on how much he regresses. If he regresses back to the replacement level player he was prior then yes it is pretty outrageous. We just don't know at this point. Which is why I don't blame teams that are not knocking on the door offering top 100 prospects. They could be burned pretty badly offering him 8th RF value in a trade

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 05:52 PM) Kind of surprised by this. I always liked Miggy, but I thought the Sox would have taken a chance on bringing in a new face. I don't have any high expectations that he'll be as successful as last year. Still would like to see 1 more depth signing for Charlotte's rotation. Sox only have House, Covey, and Danish as depth, and they need someone to eat innings at the end of the year if they decide to shut Gio, Lopez, and/or Fulmer down. Espn had the article that he signed for something like 4.5 million. So I don't think it really prevents us from bringing in someone else. I also think the return we can get for Migo is pretty limited. We basically traded him at his peak last year and got Ti'Quan Forbes back. Ideally you would want someone with a little more upside like Tillman or Buchholz that you could pump and dump

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 03:24 PM) It's Rodon and he should be back by June at the latest. Kopech will be starting in AAA. The rotation is likely: Shields/Giolito/Lopez/Gonzalez/Fulmer to start the year. Rodon will take a spot at some point. Michael Kopech will take a spot at some point. Agreed but between opening day and june someone is going to likely miss time. Also Gonzalez and Shields are not sure things just from an ability to perform standpoint. Neither is Lopez who got hit around at times and longterm maybe more of a reliever. That is without taking into account injuries. I think they need another guy.

Some of those older guys aren't really prospects. Whether they are ready or not they'll be the ones promoted to make space. From an organizational standpoint they'll probably want to see what they have anyways.

The longer this drags on the more likely they are to circle back to Abreu.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 02:40 PM) Why? Rodon and Kopech figure to be in the plans too. That's 7 total starters. After this signing, we have enough depth Pretty sure the plan is to start Kopech down in AA/AAA. Rondon is a huge ??? from a health standpoint. Shields looked done last year. The last thing I want to do is burn through our young guys service time playing them in meaningless games both Fulmer and Giolito were able to preserve an extra year by not calling them up at the beginning of the season.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 12:21 PM) So the rotation on opening day is shaped up to be: Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer, Gonzalez, Shields (no specific order)? Yep they need to bring in at least one more guy.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 09:57 AM) Yeah there has. And I guess he wants a 1-year deal. He should probably go somewhere like Minnesota where the team can be competitive again and the ballpark could help his numbers. I think he'll likely prioritize opportunity over winning considering it will be a one year deal. Our rotation is bad he'd have zero competition for the 5th spot until june-ish when you can call players up without starting their clock. In fact, that would be really the main purpose of Tilman he would be a meat shield and save us having to start the clock of one of our young pitchers early. It's actually one of the big concerns of this current rotation. I don't want the sox to burn through the service time of our young pitchers to find a 5th starter. Right now the rotation looks something like: Shields Rondon (???) Fulmer Giolito Lopez Shields is done. Rondon is a ???. Forget 5th starter ideally we should bring in two starters.

Reminds me of Jerry McGuire who was always around Tidwell when he was showering. What player showers at his agents house?

Tilman would be an interesting get. 1 year pillow deal

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 10, 2018 -> 02:49 PM) Where do you find info on how many options a player has? Well he was reported as having options available not sure it's tracked anywhere

Padres DFA'ed him but he does have an option left.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 10, 2018 -> 02:31 PM) Fischer is a pretty awful defender and would have a been a terrible centerpiece for Sale or Q. Glad we went different direction. Yeah the only guy I'm disappointed we didn't get was Robles but he probably wasn't in the cards for any other deal then Sale

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2018 -> 01:50 PM) Jim Bowden’s analysis is so terrible. Verlander is older and has a huge contract. Doesn’t mean it’s crazy they wouldn’t include either for Cole, who granted has his own reasons for pause. Just think that guy used to be a GM in another life.

So while posting in the other thread my mind started drifting to trades naturally since Soria is a pump and dump guy. But instead of Soria I was thinking Abreu and Garcia. I mean I guess the question is with Machado unlikely to be moved. With McCutchen likely to be moved. With Donaldson likely being moved. With Blackmon likely to be dealt. Then you have Dozier. And all these guys being deadline deals. Does it make sense to slow play things?

I'm just amazed at the kind of play this relatively minor move has gotten. He's basically signed to a 1/7 deal with an option. Plus we got Avilian. Maybe both guys regress from their peripherals. Does it even really matter? This trade doesn't prevent us from doing anything next year or even this year. It's a flyer like last year Holland signing was.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 8, 2018 -> 09:39 AM) Greg’s line of reasoning makes no logical sense, and it’s frustrating to hear him consistently ignore repeated attempts to explain what everyone else is talking about, but I don’t think he’s trolling here. I don’t think he’s said much that’s overly antagonistic, at least not at first. There are many times when he has been out of line, but this isn’t one of them. Actually there are stats based on results rather then predictions that he could have used to make his argument. His WHIP was high last year. His HR/FB was abnormally low. His LD% was the highest it's ever been. I mean he was hit hard last year of course his BABIP suggests he was still unlucky given all the other factors but there is risk. Saying he sucks though because he blew saves as a reliever is like saying a batter is great because of RBI. It's just a meaningless stat and even if you end up being proven right it's more random chance then an accurate prediction.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2018 -> 11:33 PM) I know but I don't see any scenario in which the Sox are worse than last year. Pitching and the bullpen is going to be a problem. Bullpen has some interesting names though Bummer, Viera, Soria, Jones, Burdi, and Avilian but so many unknowns. I see plenty of scenarios where they are worse even if most of the young guys play well enough