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Pretty solid deal. If Soria turns into something he can be moved at the deadline. If not he will just be bought out at the end of the year. Avilian has a ton of control and makes nothing. He had a sub 3 ERA last year and 2.96 FIP. If he follows that up he could be interesting trade target as well. We bought ourselves a lotto ticket. It may turn into something or nothing but at the end of the day all it cost us was a cpl of bucks.

It only makes sense if you can pull off a lopsided deal. Those extra years wont be worth much

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 03:17 PM) How pissed will Soxtalk be if Machado, Harper, and Donaldson all sign with teams not named the White Sox and the White Sox need some offense? Homers are what wins now. This guy could be a 40 HR guy at GRF. I understand it may be a year too soon, but like trades, a year too soon is usually better than a year too late. If the price is right, I don't see how it's a bad idea, unless they are on 2020 as the target year. Then I could see, no way. Eventually, the White Sox are going to have to add something other than prospects. Wellington Castillo is hardly aligned perfectly for the rebuild. Moustakas would be aligned a bit better than him, and he's an asset that doesn't cost you your better prospects, just basically JR's money. Theo went after FA pitching early. Edwin Jackson didn't work out. He wanted a couple of others he was lucky he didn't get. Prices aren't going to come down next year or the year after. If the deal is right, you make it. You say if the deal is right do you really think you can get Boras will sign a below market deal? So if you believe the Sox aren't ready to compete why not wait? Plus players with Moose body type don't age well nor does his OBP ISO heavy profile.

His agent is Scott Boras no thanks. He'll either wait out the market and get a longterm deal or sign a 1yr pillow contract. Pass

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 29, 2017 -> 04:46 PM) What happens if you raise the minimum rookie scale from $500K to $1 mill? Seems like that's the biggest exploit from the owner's perspective. It wouldn't put an end to extreme spending for high end talent, but the value of WAR seemingly goes up (and thus, teams and analysts justify costs) because a team like the Yankees just paid $500K for 8 WAR for Aaron Judge, or $62,500K/WAR. If rookies begin taking on a larger share, it seems to me, at least, that the costs would be spread out a bit more and we might not be discussing $25 million for a player in Darvish who has had Tommy John surgery and is coming off a 3.5 WAR season. Actually the biggest exploit that exists today isn't the star players. Judge will get paid eventually. Machado will get paid. The top talent always gets paid. The biggest exploit in the system is the middle end talent. For example the 2-3 WAR guys. With there being teams on the rebuild every year it's going to hard for these guys to make the money they used to because teams are starting to figure out they can fill holes via trade much cheaper.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2017 -> 02:28 AM) He's under control for 5 years. If he doesn't fit the timeline, the Sox are f***ed. It's all about cost opportunity if the Sox are two years away then yes he doesn't fit the timeline unless his price is already depreciated as he will lose value as the amount of control lessens. To put it in rough terms it's basically the difference between making a trade for Ozuna and making one for Eaton

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 03:36 PM) Really? I've read the opposite. They want to dump salary. Why would they hold onto to Castro? Yelich gets expensive (relatively) quickly after this year. If they combine Castro with Yelich they can dump 18 million this year. Castro has 24 million left. He was actually useful last year I have no idea what his actual value is he may have moderate not negative value in a trade. I dunno. People are just assuming adding him to the trade makes him worth less he was a 2 WAR player last year and played well offensively. He maybe a couple million over paid but it's not hard to see him getting something similar in FA Yelich is also unhappy and wants to be traded. It's going to all come ahead quickly thats not to say the Sox makes a ton of sense I really don't think it does and I would rather they continue to rebuild then go for it but sometimes when the opportunity presents itself you jump on it. Marlins are having a firesale.

Normally I'd say no. He doesn't fit with the timeline but with the Marlins low, low prices everything must go sale it would be a shame to not get in on it. So yeah if the trend continues and they are willing to deal him for non top prospects why the heck not. He could always be flipped later.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 11:04 PM) The returns are a night and day difference though. This board would have erupted and called for Hahn's head if the Sox got returns like that for Sale, Eaton, and Q. But like you said, the contracts have really left the Marlins is a tough position. I think the difference is Hahn was prepared in all cases to hold onto the player. The Marlins needed to trade contracts and the whole league knew it. They weren't baseball trades. I think if they were and the returns were different then the response would be much different. Nowadays with Baseball America, Law, and Sickels hell even Mayo and MLB.com has got into the action with ranking you just can't hide bad deals. People can read scouting reports and bad trades get killed quickly and this was a bad deal. Yankees didn't even touch their top prospects.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) I don't think any of the names you mentioned/that I bolded will even start the season at AA. I'd call it a successful year if any of them got there, frankly. Adolfo is probably on a path to Winston-Salem, High-A ball, after spending last year in low-A, Hahn says Winston Salem or even maybe starting at Kannapolis for Robert, Rutherford was crap at Kanny last year and so I'd guess he may start there this year; getting to W-S would be a strong sign for him. It all depends on how they hit and how quickly they progress through the system but Adolfo been in the minors for what going on his 4th year. Rutherford his 3rd. Basabe is what going on his 6th year. I mean of the guys mentioned probably Basabe and Adolfo have the best chance if they hit but I wouldn't be shocked to see one of the guys sort of pull a Devers either. But yeah looking at it more closely you are probably right the ideal timetable is probably after next year.

Thank god sometimes you have to hand it to teams who save organizations from themselves. Unless it was a 3way with NY this rumor made no sense. Timetables never matched up

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) None of those 3 should sniff the big leagues this year. The thing who should not be named will be called up pretty early. Aside from him though, we've got Leury, Cordell (if healthy), Engel (can he hit at all?), and Delmonico at the very least, maybe with more guys than that, who it would be nice to get PAs for. Hopefully one of them sets themselves apart early and this is easy, but if Garcia is there, even counting the DH spot (where we might want to play both Davidson and Gillaspie), we've got 6 big league level ballplayers and only 3-4 spots. I mean it seemed the FO wanted to have a look at Tilson last year not sure his health status. Creating some space would also give the FO the chance to evaluate some of the older guys Cordell. I mentioned September for that reason but I don't think you can really keep any of those guys down if they are playing well in AA. Which I suspect one of them will. I mean there is just so much depth organizationally when it comes to OF including Basabe who I didn't even mention.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) Ramos is the only giant that is remotely interesting to me. His highlight film at the draft was awesome. Maybe you want a light power, weak armed CF prospect in Bryan Reynolds? Some slow, poor OBP outfielders? It's ramos and a bunch of questionable SP that are likely BP arms. blech. If the Giants need two OF maybe you include Leury Garcia. I mean the other problem with holding onto Garcia is at some point you are going to callup Eloy he's probably already ready. Probably one of Rutherford or Robert or Adolfo gets called up as well. How much value are these guys going to have at that point? I'll answer none. If you get a good deal you move them. Find a placeholder to hold the fort until September.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) Ramos has been untouchable in trade talks. They wouldn't give him up for Hamilton, and he's a better fit for them They don't have any depth. At some point if they want to make deals they'll move him

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:23 PM) LaBatard is another self important, agitator. Nothing to see here. I agree with everything you said but that is not what this was. He asked the tough questions everyone else has been afraid to ask. Marlins fans got screwed. Miami taxpayers got screwed. Jeter is a joke. This actually funny enough reminds me of the orginal sale of the Expos. Bought the team then sold off all the players honestly the only thing keeping the Marlins around is the new ballpark.

Not sure where to put this mod can move it where they see fit but it's must see.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 03:08 PM) Sounds like the Marlins Man ? Actually the Rays got a really good haul for Longoria. Dude is 32 has a ton of money left and coming off a down year he's basically been a 3ish WAR player the last couple. Giants farm blows but they got their top prospect a 50 ish and two interesting arms. Not bad, not bad at all.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) I find it hard to believe even with Moreland and some other new addition that his option doesn't vest. 400 PA is not many especially considering this is a hopeful playoff team that won't bench it's best players just because of an option (even though it sucks). Only way around the option for them is if they find a trade partner for him which is doubtful Not if they use him in a platoon against LHP but yeah I've also read reports they may just buy him out.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 04:23 AM) You're mad we don't have more teenagers in our top 30? Seems like an odd critique of the #1 system in baseball. But if it helps, we are having the #4 pick in the draft in less than 6 months. I'm not mad at all. I just like to see us draft some highschoolers and be active in IFA to build a 2nd line after the 1st wave gets promoted. I also don't want to see a situation where we have guys blocked either.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 12:31 AM) Robert, Rutherford, Burger, Collins, Cease, Sheets, Hansen, Dunning, and others all beg to differ. All those guys are in their twenties and almost ready to be promoted. My point is where is the next wave. None of our top 30 prospects are younger then 20. It's not a major criticism when the farm was rebuilt on the fly we targeted the right guys in trades but inorder for the rebuild to be sustainable our system is going to need depth. That means signing a bunch of Dominicans next year and being active in IFA not just the big splash guys like Robert but the 1,2, million guys as well.

I'd love to get some depth for the farm. We have a good first wave but we don't have ton of guys behind them that reckon to be ready in 2-3 years as part of a 2nd wave. Pretty much all of our top guys are 21 years or older.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) trade market now appears to be holding up free agent market. lots of big names being mentioned in trades, though no certainty many of them will move: machado, mccutchen, abreu, cole, duffy, archer, longoria, avisail, colome, herrera, harrison, kipnis, hernandez, merrifield, etc. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/942850466874101760 Translation Boras is sweating bricks but who the f cares. Cry me a river Heyman (aka Boras mouthpiece)

I mean one team noone is talking about is the Mets. They desperately need a shortstop.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:30 PM) Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 30m30 minutes ago trade market for matt kemp believed to be virtually nonexistent. if dodgers can find a taker via trade they are magicians. Yeah the Sox can throw him at DH and maybe get 6 million ish value. Maybe not having to play the field he could be a 800 plus hitter again and get into the 9 million territory. He belongs in the AL. So yeah if the Dodgers make it enticing enough sure. I like Diaz and Alvarez. I'm not sure with the exception of Verdugo there is a prospect I'd want to do a 1-1 for. Buehler was awful in his debut. Alvarez had a down year and exhibited command issues. Interesting enough Mayo has Heredia ranked 11th. Not sure why. Sure he has a wild swing but he's 18 years old and was one of the top international guys. He'd be an interesting get along with Alvarez or Diaz

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 05:05 PM) Crazy that Boston hasn't improved that position lol. It's unbelievable, especially considering what the Yankees have done. I still think they look for an upgrade at 1B/DH. This was more as insurance so the Ramirez option doesn't vest. Ramirez is RH Moreland LH. If Ramirez option vests it costs them 22 million. He needs like 400 plus PA.