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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) I don't think any of the names you mentioned/that I bolded will even start the season at AA. I'd call it a successful year if any of them got there, frankly. Adolfo is probably on a path to Winston-Salem, High-A ball, after spending last year in low-A, Hahn says Winston Salem or even maybe starting at Kannapolis for Robert, Rutherford was crap at Kanny last year and so I'd guess he may start there this year; getting to W-S would be a strong sign for him. It all depends on how they hit and how quickly they progress through the system but Adolfo been in the minors for what going on his 4th year. Rutherford his 3rd. Basabe is what going on his 6th year. I mean of the guys mentioned probably Basabe and Adolfo have the best chance if they hit but I wouldn't be shocked to see one of the guys sort of pull a Devers either. But yeah looking at it more closely you are probably right the ideal timetable is probably after next year.

Thank god sometimes you have to hand it to teams who save organizations from themselves. Unless it was a 3way with NY this rumor made no sense. Timetables never matched up

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) None of those 3 should sniff the big leagues this year. The thing who should not be named will be called up pretty early. Aside from him though, we've got Leury, Cordell (if healthy), Engel (can he hit at all?), and Delmonico at the very least, maybe with more guys than that, who it would be nice to get PAs for. Hopefully one of them sets themselves apart early and this is easy, but if Garcia is there, even counting the DH spot (where we might want to play both Davidson and Gillaspie), we've got 6 big league level ballplayers and only 3-4 spots. I mean it seemed the FO wanted to have a look at Tilson last year not sure his health status. Creating some space would also give the FO the chance to evaluate some of the older guys Cordell. I mentioned September for that reason but I don't think you can really keep any of those guys down if they are playing well in AA. Which I suspect one of them will. I mean there is just so much depth organizationally when it comes to OF including Basabe who I didn't even mention.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) Ramos is the only giant that is remotely interesting to me. His highlight film at the draft was awesome. Maybe you want a light power, weak armed CF prospect in Bryan Reynolds? Some slow, poor OBP outfielders? It's ramos and a bunch of questionable SP that are likely BP arms. blech. If the Giants need two OF maybe you include Leury Garcia. I mean the other problem with holding onto Garcia is at some point you are going to callup Eloy he's probably already ready. Probably one of Rutherford or Robert or Adolfo gets called up as well. How much value are these guys going to have at that point? I'll answer none. If you get a good deal you move them. Find a placeholder to hold the fort until September.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) Ramos has been untouchable in trade talks. They wouldn't give him up for Hamilton, and he's a better fit for them They don't have any depth. At some point if they want to make deals they'll move him

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:23 PM) LaBatard is another self important, agitator. Nothing to see here. I agree with everything you said but that is not what this was. He asked the tough questions everyone else has been afraid to ask. Marlins fans got screwed. Miami taxpayers got screwed. Jeter is a joke. This actually funny enough reminds me of the orginal sale of the Expos. Bought the team then sold off all the players honestly the only thing keeping the Marlins around is the new ballpark.

Not sure where to put this mod can move it where they see fit but it's must see.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 03:08 PM) Sounds like the Marlins Man ? Actually the Rays got a really good haul for Longoria. Dude is 32 has a ton of money left and coming off a down year he's basically been a 3ish WAR player the last couple. Giants farm blows but they got their top prospect a 50 ish and two interesting arms. Not bad, not bad at all.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) I find it hard to believe even with Moreland and some other new addition that his option doesn't vest. 400 PA is not many especially considering this is a hopeful playoff team that won't bench it's best players just because of an option (even though it sucks). Only way around the option for them is if they find a trade partner for him which is doubtful Not if they use him in a platoon against LHP but yeah I've also read reports they may just buy him out.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 04:23 AM) You're mad we don't have more teenagers in our top 30? Seems like an odd critique of the #1 system in baseball. But if it helps, we are having the #4 pick in the draft in less than 6 months. I'm not mad at all. I just like to see us draft some highschoolers and be active in IFA to build a 2nd line after the 1st wave gets promoted. I also don't want to see a situation where we have guys blocked either.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 12:31 AM) Robert, Rutherford, Burger, Collins, Cease, Sheets, Hansen, Dunning, and others all beg to differ. All those guys are in their twenties and almost ready to be promoted. My point is where is the next wave. None of our top 30 prospects are younger then 20. It's not a major criticism when the farm was rebuilt on the fly we targeted the right guys in trades but inorder for the rebuild to be sustainable our system is going to need depth. That means signing a bunch of Dominicans next year and being active in IFA not just the big splash guys like Robert but the 1,2, million guys as well.

I'd love to get some depth for the farm. We have a good first wave but we don't have ton of guys behind them that reckon to be ready in 2-3 years as part of a 2nd wave. Pretty much all of our top guys are 21 years or older.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) trade market now appears to be holding up free agent market. lots of big names being mentioned in trades, though no certainty many of them will move: machado, mccutchen, abreu, cole, duffy, archer, longoria, avisail, colome, herrera, harrison, kipnis, hernandez, merrifield, etc. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/942850466874101760 Translation Boras is sweating bricks but who the f cares. Cry me a river Heyman (aka Boras mouthpiece)

I mean one team noone is talking about is the Mets. They desperately need a shortstop.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:30 PM) Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 30m30 minutes ago trade market for matt kemp believed to be virtually nonexistent. if dodgers can find a taker via trade they are magicians. Yeah the Sox can throw him at DH and maybe get 6 million ish value. Maybe not having to play the field he could be a 800 plus hitter again and get into the 9 million territory. He belongs in the AL. So yeah if the Dodgers make it enticing enough sure. I like Diaz and Alvarez. I'm not sure with the exception of Verdugo there is a prospect I'd want to do a 1-1 for. Buehler was awful in his debut. Alvarez had a down year and exhibited command issues. Interesting enough Mayo has Heredia ranked 11th. Not sure why. Sure he has a wild swing but he's 18 years old and was one of the top international guys. He'd be an interesting get along with Alvarez or Diaz

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 05:05 PM) Crazy that Boston hasn't improved that position lol. It's unbelievable, especially considering what the Yankees have done. I still think they look for an upgrade at 1B/DH. This was more as insurance so the Ramirez option doesn't vest. Ramirez is RH Moreland LH. If Ramirez option vests it costs them 22 million. He needs like 400 plus PA.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) Dodgers have a lot of prospects, no doubt about it. Yep they have plenty of depth and intriguing guys. Which is what happens when you are willing to spend over 30 million EACH for guys like Alvarez and Diaz after penalties. It's just a bunch of the top guys with the exception of Verdugo took a step back. Buehler was awful in his debut. Kendell struggled when promoted. Alvarez struggled with command.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) I'd say you're pretty close on this. Luis Robert got a 26M signing bonus and is currently ranked #23 on mlbs pipeline. Kemp should be worth about half of his remaining 42M. So we would be looking for a prospect who's value is around 20M, give or take. Probably won't get Verdugo ( ranked #24 ) but maybe Kemp + one of Alvarez/Kendall/Diaz gets it done. I like the idea of Lux. Add Caleb Ferguson to Lux and Kemp, and I'm in. Yeah, if you take a look at what Liriano went for it was two fringy top 100 guys he was making less and had some upside vs Kemp who has none. So at the very least I'd want two guys just inside or outside the top 100 with upside and looking at the dodgers system there isn't much there. Thier top guys struggled badly. Even Alvarez who I like was pretty bad in 2017 had command issues and 1.6 WHIP. Their bottom 100 guys don't really excite me Lux is interesting but he struggled to hit in A ball. It all depends on how motivated the Dodgers are to move him I wouldn't be surprised to see a team end up with more. Kemp is a toxic asset.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 10:30 AM) Matt Kemp and Gavin Lux to the SouthSide? Need more then that for 42 million. He's essentially worth at most 1 year 5 million ish. That means you are talking a top 40 prospect or two top 100 prospects you like.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) This should be explored by the Sox. I don't understand why the Braves wouldn't have insisted on getting a prospect back. It doesn't make sense for one team to bail out another financially without getting prospects back. The Stanton trade was the same. Why would the Marlins not insist on one of the Yankees' top 5 prospects in addition to taking Castro's contract? AA was with dodgers previously he was doing his old org a solid

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 07:08 PM) It's about what he was projected to get. I like the deal. He's a good player. I thought the AAV was high term is fine but he should be getting around 50 million over 3. Phillies likely had to pay a premium. WEEI reported that the Sox had interest. They also touched base with the A's regarding Davis. They do not want to give Hosmer 150+ million lol

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:02 PM) Hahn is saying that the odds are better that he re-signs with the White Sox if he is acquired, which is literally true, because they will have exclusive negotiating rights. No one except Manny Machado will know exactly what those odds are. So no, you can't say they go from "almost nothing to solid." They improve. How much is non-quantifiable. They could actually decrease if you look at it from the perspective that the Sox aren't ready and he joins a team that loses 80 games.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 03:14 PM) It almost has to have teams re-examine what his trade surplus value is. Yes. The Sox desperately need a middle of the order bat. Hosmer is a guy whose put up 9.9 WAR in his 7 year MLB career. Most of his "success" last year was due to an abnormal BABIP. .351. His career BABIP is .316. Anyone who gives this dude 175 million is a fool. If I was Boston I'd give up Groome, Chavis, Houck and Bradley before committing to Hosmer. JD Martinez thats another story but Hosmer is going to be one of those FA contracts whose costs their gm their job

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:21 PM) But that's also why I suspect the offers now are way better than many suspect on here. Why wouldn't Orioles just hold on to him until the deadline? Cheap?

QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:41 PM) MLB had Devers like #14 17th. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register...id=devers000raf