Sarava

Injury prone players getting injured is not insane bad luck. It's an expected outcome. If you're going to build a team based on a core of fragile players that can't stay on the field, then you at least better build up insane depth. Unfortunately the Sox depth is among the worst in baseball.

It wouldn't shock me if Katz is gone, if for no other reason than a 100% culture change. This team seriously needs a heart transplant, and the easiest place to start is a 100% turnover in the coaching staff. Katz did some good things, but there were also some disappointments in the staff. I'm fine whichever way that goes. And for Giolito - seriously, who cares if he is traded? He is a bottom of rotation guy now.

I wish Tony good health and a nice retirement. And I like the thought of not only a managerial change, but it not being Cairo.

They don;t want him fired. They're just laughing at the clown show that has become of the Chicago White Sox.

So according to tankathon, here are approximate odds if slotted 16th: #1 pick - .5% (1 in 200) #2 pick - .5% (1 in 200) #3 pick - .6% (1 in 167) #4 pick - .7% (1 in 143) #5 pick - .9% (1 in 111) #6 pick 1.1% (1 in 91) Overall chance to move up - 4.4% (1 in 23) #16 pick - 90.4% #17 pick - 5.2% For comparison's sake, when the Blackhawks jumped up the board and won the 2007 NHL lottery, they had an 8.1% to win the draft lottery.

That sounds lovely, but I can't imagine Cleveland letting him come here.

Clevinger and I guess Bellinger. Don't like any of those OF options, though. And they need a catcher too.

I don't think we necessarily disagree here, but are looking from different points of view. To me, the White Sox chose to enter the season with little to no depth. That is on them. What I'm saying is, I don't want to hear the White Sox whining about injuries, when they 100% chose to go down this road with an injury prone roster and little to no depth to back it up.

Every team has injuries and they have to swap in non starters. Not every team chooses to give 3 year deals to bad utility players. I don't think anyone on this board will ever defend Leury's contract or his use by the White Sox.

Here's the thing. Injuries did hurt the Sox. They also hurt the other teams in MLB. And specifically about the Sox - the guys that hurt them the most while out, are injury prone and they will surely be hurt again next year. Luis Robert isn't playing 150+ games next year. Neither are Eloy or TA. And who cares about Grandal, he's done. Finally - the Sox best little run of the year came with two of their best players out of the lineup - TA and Robert. I don't want to hear these excuses, which will inevitably lead to them thinking they can roll out the same pile of poop of a team that we had to watch this season.

Yep. And Cairo running out the injury excuses for the season is rubbing me the wrong way. I'd like to see someone brought in from outside the organization.

It's interesting how 6 months ago you called Sox fans negative and whiners for not being happy with the team direction. And now you are leapfrogging us all and going in to Jack Parkman territory in declaring next year lost as well.

Oh, here we go with the injury excuses. Give me a break.

I'm not going to lie. Like most fans as far as I saw, I loved those extensions when they happened. Because we all feared the Sox wouldn't be able to afford these guys once free agency came and you had to pay them to[p dollar. In hindsight - yeah, it's probably not a great idea going forward. Maybe the hunger isn't there due to the guaranteed dollars? Anyway, there's a lot to rip Rick Hahn and Jerry Reinsdorf over, but I'll leave this one alone, since I loved it at the time.

In general I agree with most of this. It think the focus needs to be to stop playing guys out of position or in positions they do not field adequately. And I'm looking at Tim Anderson as well. The Sox needs to stop caring what position these guys want to play. That goes for Eloy and for Timmy. Timmy makes too many backbreaking errors at shortstop and it's gone on for far too long. He needs to be moved. 2nd base or maybe even right field.

I'm all for beefing up the defense wherever they can. But you cant have a third basemen with no bat. That's not a recipe for competing for a World Series.

Or the pitchers should work on not letting you pull the ball. That argument works both ways. I don't know the specifics of the shift ban rule that will be voted on, but in general I'm for it.

I think it's 200 mil, not 200 thousand right? I believe I read the same article that these numbers came from (it was from one of the Sox internet sites) and as your copy and paste shows, the $200 mil was based on him owning the White Sox entirely, which he does not own entirely. I don't know what his ownership % is. All this said, if someone comes in and blows the doors off with a high offer, that's where it might get interesting. If the Sox perceived value is $2 bil, but someone comes in and offers 3.2 bil...then what does JR do? The tax penalty goes up with a higher offer, but there's no guarantee his estate would see an offer like this in a rushed sale after he passes. Sometimes it pays to strike while the iron is hot. I don't know that the Sox are worth more than 2 bil if an owner plans on staying at the current site. Maybe not...probably not. But I'll go back to the Bears - Arlington Park example. They actually have room (easily) for both a football stadium and a baseball stadium there, as well as hotels, casinos and everything else they might want. This is the type of example where a potential owner might blow the doors off with a huge offer. Because the payback would be there if a move like this would be made. Revenues would go through the roof, and probably at a scale not seen by Chicago baseball teams ever before. Regarding the Sox moving? That's why I said I'm not worried about the Sox being bought and moved. There's more money to be made here (likely in the suburbs though), than any market they can move in. The one possible exception is Las Vegas. But even with Vegas, it would probably make more financial sense to buy a team out of a smaller marker and move them to Vegas. And to clarify my earlier post. I like Jerry Reinsdorf as a person. I respect every business owner that takes care of their employees, and he's well known to be fiercely loyal to his people. That is great and I think he's a good person. Maybe not the best owner from a fan's standpoint - but there surely are much worse owners out there.

You can ask your buddy Jerry. They're well known for being cheap with player development, and the results have backed that up over the years/decades. Not sure what you're arguing here. And what about the rest of my post? Surely you disagree with the rest if you feel he's such a big spender?

Right the owner with the 7th highest payroll in baseball this season. Also the same guy who's payroll before 2022 wasn't higher than 15th in baseball since 2013. Yep, he's a big spender. That's a great take! The owner that wont sign anyone for more than a $73 million contract. The owner who is too cheap to EVER sign premium talent talent in free agency. Ooops, sorry.... not ever, just not since Albert Belle in 1996. The owner who sells international cap space to save money instead of bringing in more prospects that the team has a dire need for. The owner who is too damn cheap to adequately invest in drafting and player development through the minor leagues. You're right. I just love him to death.

Absolutely. I'd like an owner who makes a lot of money, and re-invests a lot of it back in to the team.

Because there's a lot more money to be made here than anywhere else.

I think we all agree it's unlikely he sells. But those statements are largely from 15-20 years ago, right? He's cruising in to his late 80s now, while sports franchise values are going ballistic. Again, it's unlikely to happen, but the conditions are currently about as ripe as they will ever be for him to change his mind.

Please do sell the Sox.

The Sox aren't going anywhere. If a new owner came in and did what the Bears are about to do in moving the team to a new stadium in the burbs, the team and its value would go through the roof. They would stand to make way more money staying here than moving to another town like Las Vegas or wherever. And look at the Bears now. It's recently been reported that their franchise value has increased by 42% to 5.8 billion dollars, pretty much solely due to the pending Arlington Heights land purchase and stadium.