Sarava

As long as some absurdly rich billionaire that wants a team in his own city doesn't buy them.... A smart businessman would recognize the untapped goldmine that is the White sox. But it likely resides in the suburbs eventually.

Clevinger was getting to that point where Cleveland trades their starters. He was about to get paid. The timing probably worked out fine for them.

Clevinger has as much upside as Giolito. Not sure you can get him for 10 mil though. And the Covid/Plesac thing is one incident. My God we all make mistakes in life. I haven't heard of anything else negative with him.

I'm not as confident as most of you guys that Giolito will bounce back. But yeah, you hope they don't just give him away, especially if they are in cheapskate mode this winter - which all indications point to being true.

I think he'll get more. You have a possible TOR guy if he shakes off the TJ. Someone will bite on that for more than #5 starter money.

Valid question, and honestly he probably easily gets an offer > 2/20. I guess we'll see. I could see the Sox being interested if they really are intent on moving Giolito.

Jerry doesn't do the kind of contracts Boras and Cease would be open to.

I agree. Clevinger might be around the place where he starts to regain his pre-TJ form. This would be a great signing.

He doesn't seem like he has a body type that would age gracefully, and he's already on the wrong side of 30. I think he's an amazing talent but also a very dangerous signing for whoever gets him. And we all know it won't be the Sox. I'm cool with the Yankees blowing their budget on bringing him back.

I actually don't want the Sox to trade for Miller - as the cost wouldn't be compatible with where this team is at right now. I said they need a serious upgrade at catcher, and I dispute you labeling catcher as a non important position. I know one team that is rooting hard for Grandal to stay our starting catcher - the Cleveland Guardians. They can keep running all day on the Sox, take the extra bases on all those passed balls, and as an added bonus, their pitchers get a free out every time he comes through the order. But don't be surprised if Pedro Grifol pushes the Sox for a catcher upgrade. He is a former catcher himself, and has already vowed to improve the team's defense. They say good defense starts in the middle of the field - primarily CF, SS and catching. CF is fine with Luis, but TA at shortstop and Grandal catching are not fine.

Grandal's salary is a sunk cost, whether he's on the team or not. And if he's on the team, whether he's the starter or a backup. You're paying the man either way. That doesn't mean you have to let the position rot like it did this past season. Right now one of the worst players in baseball, and the worst player of the disappointing 2022 White Sox is slated to be the Sox starting catcher. They need a serious upgrade.

Catcher is as big a need for this team as any other need.

Rick is talking this off-season about needing left handed power. It's interesting that he finally realized this after 90% of the Sox fanbase, but whatever. Let's see what he does this winter.

He wasnt that expensive, though.

Short of that one-off where they signed Luis Robert during the rebuild, I think you know this isn't happening while Reinsdorf owns the Sox.

Why wait until then? I don't know why this is taboo to talk about. But Tim Anderson's defense at SS doesn't cut it. If they're serious about improving the defense going forward, I don't know how you can sidestep around all of Tim's errors at shortstop? He's very athletic, with a strong arm and probably would be very good in either corner outfield spots or even 2B - and all of those positions would be less demanding than shortstop is. Is this similar to the Eloy/DH discussion. Aren't we at a point of not caring what the player wants and doing what is best for the team?

Much talk is brought on to RF, 2B and a bottom of rotation SP - and rightfully so. But what about catcher? I know they're stuck paying Grandal 18.5 mil, but that doesn't mean you have to let him tank the position for the Sox for another season. His salary is a sunk cost whether you depend on him or not, What if Willson Contreras' market proves to be a bit flat and he could be had in the 3YR/50 mil range? We might actually throw out would-be base stealers for a change. While he does hit lefties better, he is solid against RHP's. You can fill 2B with the young guys - Sosa/Gonzalez. We probably already know the SP they bring in will be one of the buy low guys - which did work last year with Cueto. So you could basically split the available spendable dollars between signings Contreras and filling your outfield out - which Hahn indicated is likely via a trade.

Well this is better than your post before the edit. I read your post that the same team was coming back...even though we already know Harrison has been let go (thanks God).

I can see it both ways. that Hahn has already kind of mentioned they wont be spending much in free agency might be part of any negative ratings on the Sox. But either way - I want them to be rated low. And let the guys see these previews. Maybe they'll develop a chip on their shoulder.

While the Sox need to lose some bullpen payroll, Hendriks is not the way to go. He is worth his contract and the Sox need him. Find a 2nd basemen elsewhere IMO.

There's nowhere for Jose to play. Vaughn needs to play 1B. And Eloy should be the fulltime DH. See the following quote from Rick Hahn, which is from an article on whitesox.com. That to me indicates things like Sheets or Vaughn in the outfield will no longer happen. And with Vaughn's value probably at a point of being pennies on the dollar compared to previously, he's not really tradable. There isn't much choice here for making the best possible roster in 2023 and beyond. “We had a few guys playing out of position last year just out of the way the roster fit together and then driven more significantly due to the injuries. “We want to avoid that going forward. We want to get to the point where we have guys playing in a role they’re more suited for. If that means we have to make some alterations from the roster from the outside, then that’s the route we’ll have to go.”

Ultraconservative? Come on man. The dude was experiencing a new country and culture while he basted his way through 3 leagues. He has got to be feeling great about himself and his future heading in to 2023. It's absurd and reckless to suggest he should have been pushed to do even more than that IMO.

I'll defend the Sox on this one. A-ball to MLB in one season would be a ridiculous jump and probably irresponsible handling of Colas. If they do that and it fails, then we all bash them for rushing and ruining their prized prospect. Colas could come up here and go 1 for 47 with 28 strikeouts. Then what? I'm on board with the idea of letting him earn a spot in spring training. Call Pollock the starter for now (assuming he chooses to come back) and if Colas takes the job from him at some point, then awesome. And the Sox still need to fill the other corner outfield spot.

I don't disagree, but Harrison isn't the answer here IMO.

We better be careful with Harrison. I think people are assuming because he was better in the 2nd half, that he will be fine next year. He turns 36 midseason next year.