WestEddy

Good thing the season is longer than 12 games. It still doesn't matter.

You guys seem to be missing the concept. I don't root for a baseball team to have something to get constantly enraged at. I find the team building interesting. The winning is fun, but if I was watching for some sort of release that winning brings, I wouldn't be watching sports, and I certainly wouldn't be watching the White Sox.

...And other things you can make up to hope for. Dave Dombrowski missed "setting" the loss record by one loss. You're not really making sense, here.

To do what? Rebuild? That's silly.

And none of that matters. It's a rebuild.

The Astros had 3 horrible losing seasons. I'm not sure what you think interviewing others was going to do. He has the job. He's on a tiny budget. You want him to play guys you have declared to not be baseball players, so that says to me you really aren't one to pontificate on this. Most of what you guys call "making excuses" is me pointing out that you wanting Getz to start guys you already believe suck makes no logical sense. The team is in a rebuild. If you don't understand what that entails, maybe baseball isn't the game for you. Have you looked into competitive knitting?

Are you quoting somebody? Nobody said Getz was the only one who could clean house and bring in new people. How has it come to be a pedantic argument point that Getz has to strike some new path, and figure out a uniquely new way to build a ball-team, like maybe invent a magical elixir that turns dogs into great baseball players? Reanimate the dead into baseball players? There's a pretty narrow path to building a ball team. scout players in baseball hotbeds. Maybe find a newish hotbed? Draft or sign them. Develop them (that's for you, @JoeC). Give them opportunities. It seems pretty out there to figure out a cheaper way forward than signing the top free agents every off-season. That seems to be how the minds of most sports fans work - "I'm thirsty!!" "Well, let's buy a lake at the highest price, just to prove we want to quench our thirst!!!"

I believe that Cleveland and Seattle teams in the 90's set the modern day records for winning percentage and total wins, and I can't seem to find if they won a World Series in there. Maybe you can help me with that. Did the Cleveland team or the Mariners (or even Padres, for that matter) win a World Series when they were setting win records? So, Bad-res' fans can be happy for a while, kind of like Europeans in the late 1920's. I called Crochet a great pitcher. I don't care where Haber or Hahn or KW work, now. Neither should you. There's a great deal of evidence that Getz belongs in his current position. The biggest piece is the fact that he currently holds that position with a major league team. Then, the fact that many respected baseball people have come to the White Sox based on Getz being GM. Rebuilding teams lose more games than they win. So, yeah, we're going to endure a couple losing seasons while the new international scouting department, pitching lab, hitting lab, DR facility, and all start developing their prospects up the ladder. (I'm sure there's something I didn't mention. I assume that I don't have to retype all of baseball history in order to not have "missed" something.)

Didn't forget. I'm not going to type out a "how to run a baseball team" manifesto every time Caulfield trolls me.

They were at 39 with the release of Jankowski, and Carella's release puts them at 38, allowing Palacios and Narvaez to be rostered.

Then it's a good thing we replaced the guy who blew all those high first round picks with Mike Shirley, who seems to have conducted multiple, successful drafts, 2022 looking like an insanely good draft, top to bottom. Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't sit in the war room and tell people who to draft. KW, Huber and Hahn did. You might wish to educate yourself on the process before you keep pretending that drafts conducted under a bunch of people who are no longer here still have any bearing on what goes on now. I've made the same argument I've been making to you all along. Are you saying that we should never trade good players during a rebuild? That would be silly.

Again, ALL prospects have a high fail rate. The point is to draft better, scout better internationally, and acquire better talent in trades and waiver claims. Nervously watching one prospect to win one trade to save the franchise doesn't carry good odds.

You'd have to put him on the 40-man, pay him more, and start his 6-year clock. The straight release looks like they'd have a better shot at resigning him to a minor league deal than putting him through waivers. If they have a good working relationship with him, maybe he doesn't want a new rehab team and a bunch of unknowns after that.

At the time of the trade, it was a very good return. 2 recent first rounders and 2 more interesting prospects with multiple tools. Crochet was a great starting pitcher with a long injury history and a short history of starting. He only had 2 years of control at arbitration rates. We don't need to flood the zone with "ho-hum" for 5 years until we get to rebut that.

And you have no way of knowing how much WAR Crochet and the return prospects will put up regularly, but you still project. Yes, I agree with you that every team would have probably drafted great players if they knew those players would be better than the actual players they drafted. I certainly would have played winning lottery numbers if I was assured they were winners ahead of time. Not sure where you're going with this...

Can you make sure to explain to @WhiteSox2023 why Travis Jankowski in CF is good idea?

And then scream that we failed in developing said prospect after the first 0-13 series.

Teel was one of Boston's "big 4", and by July, Montgomery would have been one of Boston's "big 5". I am calling the return "great", so you can quote me in your next argument over semantics. The mob on this site is predisposed to see any move in a bad light. People complained about obtaining a catcher "because we already have one in the system". I don't generally get into conversations with a group of GMs, and I'm guessing you don't either. I suppose maybe one of those top prospects would have been available had Crochet already been signed to that sweet extension by the White Sox, but Crochet still carried a level of injury risk that normal 1:1 aces don't.

2nd time's the charm

I only give as good as I get. I actually wouldn't have minded Canario. I didn't see how he fit into Getz's plans - he's not a defensive replacement, he's got big swing and miss issues they're trying to steer the organization away from. You will probably bring up Greg Jones, who has elite speed, and is seen as aproviding potential elite CF defense. Apples and oranges. An actual replacement player vs. a 1-dimensional project. I don't see the point of thinking Getz will build through waivers. Joey Bart is like the only guy in the last season and a half we've seen come over the wire that Getz really missed the boat on. It's actually funny that on Aug 1, our two best rotation starters could be the two Rule 5 pickups.

No. He's got 5 years service time and would have to approve a trip to the minors.

It's almost like you're not even trying to make sense.

The Crochet trade was a great return. Basing a trade on prospect rankings is silly, Montgomery hasn't played any pro ball before this year to be "ranked". Meidroth is the type of player that won't get ranked and is extremely valuable. Cease wasn't getting a bidding war at the 2023 TDL and his complete 2023 line didn't excite anybody. Please tell me how you know Getz could have gotten a lot better. I also heard that San Diego and St. Louis were going to get loads more back when they traded Cease and Fedde, respectively, and they're both with their teams. St. Louis was even looking to shed payroll, and couldn't. I guess they couldn't do better. I think we all understand the issues Vargas had last year. He just had two hits tonight, one of them clutch in the top of the 9th, so SSS and recency bias, looks like we won that trade.

Ho hum. And where did I say that Getz could be judged by this current lineup? I clearly qualified my statement with "here, I'll play the game you're playing", and then surmised you thought Getz was left a fantastic roster to build from. Once the prospects he's acquired start feeding up onto the parent team, once he gets to start making actual acquisitions of players who could be considered part of a competitive team, that's when you're going to start be be able to judge his work. You're talking about crazy town after you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not defensive. I really don't understand the purpose of misrepresenting what I say, then admonishing me for something I'm not doing.

But that's not the wording you used. You asked when we can admit this is the team he put on the field, which is a different thing. It's a rebuild. They're trying to lose. There are no upper level prospects to develop beyond Sosa and Vargus, and the guys at AAA they're apparently waiting to gain a year on, or something. Are you going to judge Dave Dombrowski on his 119 loss season? Are Al Avila on his 114 loss season? The guy who rebuilt the Astros, lost a ton for 3 years when the Astros became an internet meme? He's conducting a rebuild. So I think it would make sense to judge him by the rebuild when it starts to take shape. Not on the first losing team he puts on the field. It's like you want somebody to build a house, and you're judging him by the way carries a shovel to the demolition on day 1.